Van hits multiple pedestrians in Toronto

[jayswin]

It's such a tragically quick world we live in these days (and I'm not even really blaming anyone as we're all stuck in it). A terror attack discussion in a Canadian city 20 years ago would have been hyperfocused on the tragedy and day after day of expressing shock and sadness, and stories about the victims.

Now a days every tragedy is just a jumping board to argue some ****.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

From CNN:




When a similar-style attack occurs, I think it is (now, sadly) common to speculate on the motive.

I will quote my very first post in the thread that alludes to my speculation that this could have been a terrorist attack:



I can't speak for everyone that thought the same thing that I did immediately upon hearing about this but that is the first place my mind went. Give up your righteousness. If you really need to hear it again: It appears that you are right and I am wrong.

He's a pathetic sad maladjusted creep who hates a world where he doesn't think he gets the respect money or adulation he deserves even though he has done nothing to deserve any, in this he and all the pathetic loser in ISIS and the Neo Nazis are exactly the same.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

If you read this page of the thread, and then go back to page one, you will be quite surprised to find out it is about someone running over innocent people with a rental van.

There really isn't a lot you can say about these sorts of incidents before the conversation spins off into why they did it, social issues, etc.

Something very bad happened. There are very few details at this stage. More details will emerge only slowly. There are far better places to monitor those emerging details than the off-topic folder of a hockey forum.

So what should people be posting in this thread?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There really isn't a lot you can say about these sorts of incidents before the conversation spins off into why they did it, social issues, etc.

Something very bad happened. There are very few details at this stage. More details will emerge only slowly. There are far better places to monitor those emerging details than the off-topic folder of a hockey forum.

So what should people be posting in this thread?

Hopefully Taco.Vidal can decide if he should post the video of it here, or the funny and cool pictures and video thread...Must be a real dilemma for him.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I dunno. If you go back and read his posts in this thread, I think you are going after some other guy

If you go back to my original post, you'll see I didn't go after him at all.

He engaged me.

He identified himself as jumping to the conclusion that it was ISIS related and then went on to justify why that was reasonable.

I pointed out the fallacy of his conclusion and suggested that acknowledging that he was wrong once the facts were known was how a person who made an honest mistake reacts. Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, he continues to justify his position by providing a list of ISIS inspired attacks and insisting still that it could be an ISIS inspired action.

Do I really need to respond with a list of terror type attacks perpetrated by other people or groups?

These kind of people will continue to believe what they want to believe. Providing a list of ISIS inspired attacks doesn't justify jumping to conclusions or failure to correct the record.

Is it really that difficult to address the issue by saying "I messed up. I was wrong. I should have familiarized myself with the facts before labelling this an ISIS attack" or "Now that more information is available, it appears I was in error"? (BEFORE someone has to call you out on it)

That response seems more reasonable and sincere than continuing to hold a position that has been proven to be wrong.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Don't make the mistake of putting the politics before the science. There's some pretty strong science out there around the negative consequences of prolonged exposure to porn. Especially in young men. Turns out thousands of hours of watching explicit sexual images, most of them unhealthy and unrealistic depictions of sex, before you've even had any healthy sexual experiences yourself can mess up your expectations and norms. The fact some puritans might use that as a way to restrict freedom doesn't make it any less true.

Porn generally, and in excess. Honestly, just about anything done obsessively and to excess is likely to be bad for you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about, which was whether a preference for certain types of porn gives any information about a person's psychological state or character. There is no science to suggest that this is the case. If you enjoy S&M porn, you may or may not be into S&M yourself, and so forth. It certainly doesn't suggest that you're a violent or abusive person.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

If you go back to my original post, you'll see I didn't go after him at all.

He engaged me.

He identified himself as jumping to the conclusion that it was ISIS related and then went on to justify why that was reasonable.

I pointed out the fallacy of his conclusion and suggested that acknowledging that he was wrong once the facts were known was how a person who made an honest mistake reacts. Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, he continues to justify his position by providing a list of ISIS inspired attacks and insisting still that it could be an ISIS inspired action.

Do I really need to respond with a list of terror type attacks perpetrated by other people or groups?

These kind of people will continue to believe what they want to believe. Providing a list of ISIS inspired attacks doesn't justify jumping to conclusions or failure to correct the record.

Is it really that difficult to address the issue by saying "I messed up. I was wrong. I should have familiarized myself with the facts before labelling this an ISIS attack" or "Now that more information is available, it appears I was in error"?

That response seems more reasonable and sincere than continuing to hold a position that has been proven to be wrong.

I believe that your "overwhelming evidence to the contrary" consists of one Facebook post.

With the providing of the previous religious motivated attacks, I was illustrating how my mind made the leap to thinking that this absolutely could have been a terrorists attack.

I have repeatedly stated that it now appears that I was wrong and you were right. I'm not sure what more you need from me.

Again, I will say "appears" as there will be a lot more facts, hopefully more than a Facebook post, in the coming weeks and months as this investigation continues. You seem to think you have all the facts already justifying your position. Do you know more than you are letting on?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not sure about the prostitution angle.

The podcast GirlySports posted in the backpage thread talks about this.

https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/119-no-more-safe-harbor#episode-player

An economist, Scott Cunningham, found that female homicides dropped 17% in markets where Craigslist introduced erotic services, and hypothesizes that part of that could be substituting sex for violence.

Edit: with the another part being making sex work safer.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I believe that your "overwhelming evidence to the contrary" consists of one Facebook post.

With the providing of the previous religious motivated attacks, I was illustrating how my mind made the leap to thinking that this absolutely could have been a terrorists attack.

I have repeatedly stated that it now appears that I was wrong and you were right. I'm not sure what more you need from me.

Again, I will say "appears" as there will be a lot more facts, hopefully more than a Facebook post, in the coming weeks and months as this investigation continues. You seem to think you have all the facts already justifying your position. Do you know more than you are letting on?

My God, you're still sticking to "it appears" it may not have been an ISIS attack?

There is much more than "one Facebook post" to demonstrate that this had nothing to do with ISIS.

Have you stopped reading the press coverage entirely? Are you trying to remain willfully ignorant?

Grasping at straws. Read any Toronto newspaper and get back to me with any credible report suggesting this was ISIS inspired.


Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

My God, you're still sticking to "it appears" it may not have been an ISIS attack?

There is much more than "one Facebook post" to demonstrate that this had nothing to do with ISIS.

Have you stopped reading the press coverage entirely? Are you trying to remain willfully ignorant?

Grasping at straws.


Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

"I've had the opportunity to consult with the senior officials of the security and police agencies of the Government of Canada, and on the basis of all available information at the present time there would appear to be no national security connection to this particular incident," Goodale told reporters in Toronto Monday evening.

Goodale was careful not to rule out the possibility that the investigation could evolve, but said that while the attack was "horrendous," current information suggests it was an isolated incident.

If the word "appears" is good enough for Ralph Goodale, it's good enough for me.

I think I'm pretty much done with 'ya, man. You have too many "facts" for me.




(Whole article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fede...dent-1.4631909)

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I think I'm pretty much done with 'ya, man. You have too many "facts" for me.


(Whole article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fede...dent-1.4631909)

Huh, I didn't see any mention of ISIS at all.

Dude, your mind was made up from the moment the news broke and apparently nothing is going to change that.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Huh, I didn't see any mention of ISIS at all.

Dude, your mind was made up from the moment the news broke and apparently nothing is going to change that.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Interesting in that between the two of us only one mind is made up, and it ain't mine!

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Interesting in that between the two of us only one mind is made up, and it ain't mine!

"Apparently"

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Incels? Was this yet another Elliot Rodger (whom is diefied by the incel/MGTOW communities)?

God ####ing damnit.

Incels hail Toronto van driver who killed 10 as a new Elliot Rodger, talk of future acid attacks and mass rapes [UPDATED]

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/20...nd-mass-rapes/

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

God ####ing damnit.



Incels hail Toronto van driver who killed 10 as a new Elliot Rodger, talk of future acid attacks and mass rapes [UPDATED]



http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/20...nd-mass-rapes/

For a bunch of people who claim to be “nice guys”, they sure are killy and rapey.

[DiracSpike]

They should just all meet up and #### each other, problem solved.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wow that's grotesque

Some people need every square inch of their asses kicked.

[jayswin]

International victims so far include 1 from Jordan and 2 from South Korea.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/break...cid=spartanntp

Others killed included Munair Najjar, a citizen of Jordan who was in Toronto visiting family, according to state-run news agency Petra. Jordan's embassy in Ottawa is in contact with Najjar's family, the agency said. No other information about Najjar was released.

Two South Koreans were among the dead, Yonhap News Agency reported, citing government officials. A third South Korean national was injured. None of their names were released.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Huh, I didn't see any mention of ISIS at all.

Dude, your mind was made up from the moment the news broke and apparently nothing is going to change that.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

So you are upset that ISIS was incorrectly assumed to be behind this?

Why?

When I first read and saw this I to thought it looked like something they have done before all over the world. Dozens of times.

Screw ISIS and everything to do with them. Why do they deserve any sort of protection from a rush to judgement by some, when they have been responsible for the rape and murder of thousands of innocent people?

[burn_this_city]

These guys can't climb the dominance hierarchy in society so they lash out. Not sure what the solution is, by nature there are more men than women because some of us are supposed to die off in conflict.