[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[442scotty]

We won’t know until December how this is going to play out and by then the pretenders on the team will be fully exposed and shipped out ( if Treliving doesn’t get rid of them this summer) Buy in or get out! So tired of boring hockey. Looking forward to entertaining hockey this fall... as I do every year

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I was not going to reply to this as it stood out as so self evidently illogical.


If Gio or Gaudreau or Monahan or Backlund somehow lose their passion for the game this year and Peters does not have a strategy or solution to work them back then the Flames start a new rebuild with a new head coach and GM.

Can the coach make the ownership issues go away?

Can the coach show to Staal that ownership is investing in spending money to put a competitive team on the ice?

How about fans in the building...Carolina was last or 2nd last in the league in attendance in Staal's final couple seasons in Carolina, could Peters control that?

Staal only had 1 1/2 seasons under Peters, and was in his 7th season of not making the playoffs in Carolina. Trying to blame his loss of love of the game strictly on Peters is crazy.

Even then in his first season under Peters he actually had 2 more goals than he had the previous season, and only 6 fewer points than he had under Muller.

Sounds more like Staal knew he was a UFA at seasons end, knew he was likely to be moved at the deadline, and was just going through the motions in his final 6 months in Carolina to me. Then he also realized he couldn't just turn it back on at will when he went to New York and was actually even worse than he was for Peters under AV.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Sure. All fine points.

Do players blame their play on the owners or the fans?
Is he really going to go on an interview and slam the coach?
Didn’t they spend a good amount of money to bring in his brother?
Didn’t Peters talk about the culture change needed, and wasn’t he the franchise player?

So Staal underachieved, exclusively under Peters. Could have been Staal, could have been Peters, could have been both, could have been something else.

Can you say Peters could have pulled Staal out of his funk? Can’t say for sure.
Did Peters pull him out of his funk? No.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Sure. All fine points.

Do players blame their play on the owners or the fans?
Is he really going to go on an interview and slam the coach?
Didn’t they spend a good amount of money to bring in his brother?
Didn’t Peters talk about the culture change needed, and wasn’t he the franchise player?

So Staal underachieved, exclusively under Peters. Could have been Staal, could have been Peters, could have been both, could have been something else.

Can you say Peters could have pulled Staal out of his funk? Can’t say for sure.
Did Peters pull him out of his funk? No.

That is the only point though. To say that Peters is 100% the reason Staal had a bad season or lost his love for the game is foolish, there is a lot of other stuff going on with that team, roster, the player individually that plays into it.

[Toonage]

Small sample size but why is no one bringing up how awful Staal was for the NYR? That Peters' fault too?

[troutman]

"Never trust a man with two first names."?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I was not going to reply to this as it stood out as so self evidently illogical.


If Gio or Gaudreau or Monahan or Backlund somehow lose their passion for the game this year and Peters does not have a strategy or solution to work them back then the Flames start a new rebuild with a new head coach and GM.

So now we have to play the "what if" game? Speaking of illogical.

No thanks.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Can the coach make the ownership issues go away?

Can the coach show to Staal that ownership is investing in spending money to put a competitive team on the ice?

How about fans in the building...Carolina was last or 2nd last in the league in attendance in Staal's final couple seasons in Carolina, could Peters control that?

Staal only had 1 1/2 seasons under Peters, and was in his 7th season of not making the playoffs in Carolina. Trying to blame his loss of love of the game strictly on Peters is crazy.

Even then in his first season under Peters he actually had 2 more goals than he had the previous season, and only 6 fewer points than he had under Muller.

Sounds more like Staal knew he was a UFA at seasons end, knew he was likely to be moved at the deadline, and was just going through the motions in his final 6 months in Carolina to me. Then he also realized he couldn't just turn it back on at will when he went to New York and was actually even worse than he was for Peters under AV.

Not crazy, its completely untrue and unfounded. His passion was lost to play the game...not because of anything to do with coaching.

That is according to Staal himself.

Its Ricardo trying to draw a narrative that doesnt exist, as is usually the case with him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

"Never trust a man with two first names."?

You know people first named Peters?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Can the coach make the ownership issues go away?

Can the coach show to Staal that ownership is investing in spending money to put a competitive team on the ice?

How about fans in the building...Carolina was last or 2nd last in the league in attendance in Staal's final couple seasons in Carolina, could Peters control that?

Staal only had 1 1/2 seasons under Peters, and was in his 7th season of not making the playoffs in Carolina. Trying to blame his loss of love of the game strictly on Peters is crazy.

Even then in his first season under Peters he actually had 2 more goals than he had the previous season, and only 6 fewer points than he had under Muller.

Sounds more like Staal knew he was a UFA at seasons end, knew he was likely to be moved at the deadline, and was just going through the motions in his final 6 months in Carolina to me. Then he also realized he couldn't just turn it back on at will when he went to New York and was actually even worse than he was for Peters under AV.

and then he went he went to the Wild where he was immediately in their top 3-4 best players.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by troutman

"Never trust a man with two first names."?

Your totally Right! I always say "never trust a man with a first name for a last name", but same thing. I have a half dozen examples in my life that I would be further ahead if I had learned that early.

[Toonage]

I have 2 first names and I'm the most trustworthy person I know.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and then he went he went to the Wild where he was immediately in their top 3-4 best players.

And you're assuming it was because of coaching. If you're going to make this case you need more than supposition and leaps of logic. What is your evidence that coaching in Carolina, specifically Peters' coaching, was the issue?

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I have 2 first names and I'm the most trustworthy person I know.

You WOULD say that

Theres a caveat to this situation though, if your last name is a first name, but your first name is a last name, it cancels out

Jack steven: untrustworthy
Jackson steven: trustworthy

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and then he went he went to the Wild where he was immediately in their top 3-4 best players.

Okay.

His first season with the Wild he had 6 more goals, and 10 more points than he had in his first season under Peters.

He had 244 shots on goal that first season with Peters in Carolina, he had 211 shots on goal that first season in Minnesota.

Biggest difference was he shot 9.4% in Carolina, vs 13.3% in Minnesota. This year he shot 17.4% - which accounts for the next big jump up in his production.

Those two seasons in Carolina are the 1st and 3rd highest shooting percentages of his career, and he is an 11.2% career shooter.

That last season in Carolina where he lost all love of the game... he shot 6.5% - by far the lowest of his career.

So really he's a guy who has actually been good his whole career, but had one terrible shooting percentage season where he shot almost 5% below his career average and people thought he was washed up because of it.

But yeah it's all Bill Peters fault.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That is the only point though. To say that Peters is 100% the reason Staal had a bad season or lost his love for the game is foolish, there is a lot of other stuff going on with that team, roster, the player individually that plays into it.

At no point did I or anyone else blame Peters 100% for Staal's 2 bad seasons.

He simply did not get the best out of him.

The Flames situation is such that they have a lot of similar very well paid players who haven't had a lot of team success relative to players of their stature.

It is very important that Peters gets his best paid players on the Flames to perform to close to the level they are being paid.

I do not see the track record in this area that Peters has. In his small sample of coaching important players he did not do an excellent job.

Sutter went into LA and Doughty/ Carter / Quick/ and Kopitar played to a much higher level than they were before he got there.

[TheScorpion]

Teuvo Teravainen and Sebastien Aho have both developed very nicely under Peters

Slavin and Pesce too

[chummer]

Originally Posted by troutman

"Never trust a man with two first names."?

I'm fine with Bill but never trust a Peter

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and then he went he went to the Wild where he was immediately in their top 3-4 best players.

Maybe you can go to winnipegpuck.com and be one of the 3-4 best posters there.

[belsarius]

It's like when Sutter turned 96 point Iginla into 67 point Iginla. Playfair took over and suddenly Iginla is a 90+ point player again.

Obviously this means Sutter = terrible coach.