2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, Bjugstad needs to be out of the league in two years to make your stupid comparison accurate. Just own up to it. "I made a stupid comparison" Not that hard.

Bjugstad may not be worth TJ Brodie, but he sure as #### isn't Joe Colborne.

I did not make a stupid comparision.

It was a brutal proposal and I compared to an equally brtal proposal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I did not make a stupid comparision.

It was a brutal proposal and I compared to an equally brtal proposal.

lol

You said Bjugstad = Colborne

That is a stupid comparison, no question about.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

As if you would have predicted then that Colborne would be out of the league two years after he scored 20 goals and 40 points.

Colborne was a disposable middle six winger for us.
Bjugstad is a disposable middle six winger for Florida.

Gardiner was a talented, creative defensemen on the **** list of 80% of leafs fans.
Brodie is a talented, creative defenseman on the **** list of 80% of Flames fans.

Brodie, like Gardiner, is a lot more likely to return to form as star players than the wingers are to be much more than they are. Bjugstad doesn't need to be out of the league in two years to not be worth TJ Brodie.

What about the last 2 seasons show brodie as a talented creative defensman, worth some of these deals and why is he likely to return to a star player?

Few players regress from age 25 to 27, then get it back again

Right now the most likely scenario is he was a huge benefactor of the giordano boost

[SportsJunky]

Deep breaths everyone!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

What about the last 2 seasons show brodie as a talented creative defensman, worth some of these deals and why is he likely to return to a star player?

Few players regress from age 25 to 27, then get it back again

Right now the most likely scenario is he was a huge benefactor of the giordano boost

Gulutzan’s system also took away a lot of what made Brodie special. The stretch pass and his deceptive and accurate backhand were also removed with a shift to the left side.

But I agree. Rosie doesn’t get the player the flames need which is why they should consider moving Hamilton who is also benefitting from the Giordano boost and is younger, bigger, and a right shot which holds massive value.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gulutzan’s system also took away a lot of what made Brodie special. The stretch pass and his deceptive and accurate backhand were also removed with a shift to the left side.

But I agree. Rosie doesn’t get the player the flames need which is why they should consider moving Hamilton who is also benefitting from the Giordano boost and is younger, bigger, and a right shot which holds massive value.

Poor Rosie

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gulutzan’s system also took away a lot of what made Brodie special. The stretch pass and his deceptive and accurate backhand were also removed with a shift to the left side.

But I agree. Rosie doesn’t get the player the flames need which is why they should consider moving Hamilton who is also benefitting from the Giordano boost and is younger, bigger, and a right shot which holds massive value.

The gully thing is plausible

Next year will be a good litmus test with a new coach, based on what hes gone through hes a guy everyone is cheering for imo

Id be really hesitant on moving hamilton, if its thought hes a benefit of gio id try him away from him at least to see, plus make sure adam fox is signed

He would have huge value though, more than seth jones, who i think is a better player but at the time had a bit of risk vs where dougie is now

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He is basically 2016 Colborne. A tall middle six winger known for inconsistent complete level and poor hockey sense. Maybe he is slightly better and more proven but they're a lot closer than they are apart.

Trading Brodie for him would be asking to get fleeced.

Agree to disagree. I think equating Colborne with Bjugstad is a very poor comparison.

I'd be happy with Brodie for Bjugstad.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He is basically 2016 Colborne. A tall middle six winger known for inconsistent complete level and poor hockey sense. Maybe he is slightly better and more proven but they're a lot closer than they are apart.

Trading Brodie for him would be asking to get fleeced.

You're going to be bitterly disappointed by the return for Brodie.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He is basically 2016 Colborne. A tall middle six winger known for inconsistent complete level and poor hockey sense. Maybe he is slightly better and more proven but they're a lot closer than they are apart.

Trading Brodie for him would be asking to get fleeced.

You clearly haven't watched him. I have, every season he's been in the league and almost all of the Panthers' games.

His compete level nowadays is excellent and he has developed into a very good two-way player. He plays a north-south type of game where his hockey sense is just fine. Good along the boards but isn't really effective in a sideways type, cycle game. In that sense you can criticize his hockey sense.

But comparing him to Colborne is absurd. Colborne was tissue soft and while Bjugstad isn't a banger he will drop the gloves for his teammates or lay a hit if needed. And just overall he is a much, much better player.

The biggest concern with him would be the injuries that he's suffered the last couple of years.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Saqe

But comparing him to Colborne is absurd. Colborne was tissue soft and while Bjugstad isn't a banger he will drop the gloves for his teammates

He fought Oleksiak and got his ass kicked. That's it. Colborne has fought more.

Not that it in anyway really matters, but Bjugstad isn't any more of a fighter for his teammates than Colborne has been.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Jets are set on the RW. Ferland might upgrade their 4th line but it wouldn't seem like a wise way to spend cap space.

Yeah so Monahan would be a 3rd line Centre on the Jets? Flames have no depth. Ferly is tough. If he is traded who is going to fight? Mony, Backs or Gio?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

The gully thing is plausible

Next year will be a good litmus test with a new coach, based on what hes gone through hes a guy everyone is cheering for imo

Id be really hesitant on moving hamilton, if its thought hes a benefit of gio id try him away from him at least to see, plus make sure adam fox is signed

He would have huge value though, more than seth jones, who i think is a better player but at the time had a bit of risk vs where dougie is now

I want a monster return if the Flames trade Dougie. No way would I be giving him away.

I am just looking at the blueline and who the Flames can move to address the team for a top forward. I feel moving Brodie now would result in getting a guy like Pacioretty back who has 1 year left and would want a huge contract with term.

Without a first, second or third I want to be targeting a young team I trolled forward and only Hamilton has that value on the blueline.

[Roof-Daddy]

Moving Hamilton could create a big hole on the blueline, I wonder if he has enough value where you could possibly move him for a lesser, but still decent top 4 right shot blueliner and a young top 6 forward.

Like to Carolina for Faulk and Lindholm for example.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Moving Hamilton could create a big hole on the blueline, I wonder if he has enough value where you could possibly move him for a lesser, but still decent top 4 right shot blueliner and a young top 6 forward.

Like to Carolina for Faulk and Lindholm for example.

I'm against moving Hamilton in general, but if you do I'm almost certain it has to be star for star or we'll be sitting with absolute regret in a few years.

I totally understand your rational by the way, but that is the classic "we need to replace who we're giving to you, so give us a cheaper replacement plus the thing we want".

Almost zero chance for winning that deal. It'll almost assuredly turn into one of the hundreds of "remember when team X traded this star for a second pairing D-man and a second line forward?

We probably shouldn't trade Hamilton, but if we do please do not try to turn him into two players we need. Please, please, please do not do this.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Moving Hamilton could create a big hole on the blueline, I wonder if he has enough value where you could possibly move him for a lesser, but still decent top 4 right shot blueliner and a young top 6 forward.

Like to Carolina for Faulk and Lindholm for example.

Whether value is there or not, Carolina is not trading from a position of weakness (forward) from a position of strength (defense).

They would want to do exactly what you envision the Flames doing.

[PlayfulGenius]

Could the Flames get Toffoli for Brodie?... reasonably close?

[sureLoss]

Sounds like Alex Nylander might not be long for Buffalo.

Was on the 4th line and then benched for the 3rd period, while the Rochester Americans were trailing by one goal in an AHL playoff game. Sabres upper management was there watching the game too.

Might be getting to the point where a change of scenery needs to be tried.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Could the Flames get Toffoli for Brodie?... reasonably close?

Not remotely. Here is the thing, everything I have heard about Peters indicates the way he uses the D means they have to play tight to the man and they absolutely have to be able to make very quick decisions with the puck which in turn means that we absolutely must move Brodie! I can't think of a worse D man in the entire NHL that is worse when being pressured. I don't even care what we get for him at this point, addition by subtraction. I know some hype on this try him on the other side but that won't fix his extremely poor decisions when pressured in his own zone or getting lost in the coverage. Get something for him and let him be someone else's problem.

[dammage79]

I know of a place for you Alex Nylander. Your dad lived here and your brother was born here! Come on over!