[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He is GG all over again with more attitude. Everything points to it.

That’s an interesting conclusion to draw, thankfully for us the strength of this conclusion is currently only as strong as the information used to draw it.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Budget team. 10-20 million below the cap. I suppose you're right if you choose to ignore that.

What would you consider to be 'successful' in this context?

You said "overachieved".

"Overachieving" with a bad team would be in my books be pulling them to mediocrity. Mediocrity in the NHL is playoff bubble, first round and out every now and then. The Hurricanes have not hit that once in four tries. They haven't even hit 90 points. They haven't progressed at all in the last three seasons.

As I said, you must think the 'Canes roster is absolutely terrible if you think 87 points is "overachieving".

I mean, you can easily argue that they are truly just that bad. I don't agree, but neither of us are experts. I was just surprised someone thinks the 'Canes have overachieved in some way.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fire

Some of you guys that are always negative maybe should take a break from the Flames or least become just a casual fan and it enjoy the game on that level. You are supposedly a hockey fan because it brings you enjoyment. If it no longer provides you that enjoyment then what is the point?

If that is the case the board should be empty. You can honestly say last season gave you enjoyment? B.S

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That’s an interesting conclusion to draw, thankfully for us the strength of this conclusion is currently only as strong as the information used to draw it.

So really strong then.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So really strong then.

Yah your probably right, which begs the question. When making this decision do you think BT simply undervalued the comments of Canes fans on HF and didn’t wheight it high enough in his process or do we think that he’s such an idiot that he doesn’t even know that source of valuable insights even exists?

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There are people on here that would rather the flames suck so they can say I told you so than to be proven wrong and the Flames to have a strong season.

This kinda logic always cracks me. Just cause some fans on here show their displeasure with the way things are going, doesn't make them any less of Flames fans. Many didn't like the Glutuzan hire and look how well that turned out. It upsets us when the team is being run into the ground and some of us are sick of "wait and see approach". Some of the people here that always accept what the team does, remind me off Browns fans. Cheer on every move, then hate it when things don't go well...and rinse and repeat every offseason.

People say Treliving will learn from his mistakes, but there is no evidence to suggest that he has. I mean at this point there was no point in jumping the gun and hiring a guy that has a .500 record in the NHL. I am sorry but one WHL championship and a Gold in international competition don't instil confidence in the new hire. Short tournament vs. a long season is two different animals. Rival coaches in the NHL have more time to adjust to strategies. I would take a coach that has only missed the playoffs twice in 11 years vs. one that has only had a 5 point bump in points over four years any day.

But Treliving is shoving his philosophy down our throats again. He believes his is the only way, which to me suggests he's stubborn and refusing to correct his mistakes. Most people are waiting for him to make moves this offseason, I am wondering if he will trade another first round pick to get it done. Treliving should have lottery protected the first round pick and if that was the price, he should have walked away. But he was too focused on getting his player, that Snow bent him over. Whats stopping other GMs from taking advantage of him in the future, knowing he wants the player he targets.

But listening to Treliving talk about the process during his press conference, while already having his mind made up suggests that he zeros in on his targets and doesn't thoroughly evaluate everything. He reminds me off former Jacksonville Jaguars GM Gene Smith, who demonstrated similar characteristics of a hard-worker but used to zero in on his players as well. He wasted countless draft picks and had zero picks turn into Pro Bowlers. I fear I am seeing a similar pattern in Treliving, who seems to be stuck in his ways and doesn't want to change course.

I am for one am not happy with the hire. I hope I am wrong and I will happily eat crow, but there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

This kinda logic always cracks me. Just cause some fans on here show their displeasure with the way things are going, doesn't make them any less of Flames fans.

How about the poster who wrote this?

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Cant wait for the flames to suck again next year under new coaches and for people to realize on here we simply dont have a good enough team

I'd say this makes them less of a Flames fan.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by the2bears

How about the poster who wrote this?



I'd say this makes them less of a Flames fan.

Meh Flames have a ####ty track record for the past 25 years, I get his frustration.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Yah your probably right, which begs the question. When making this decision do you think BT simply undervalued the comments of Canes fans on HF and didn’t wheight it high enough in his process or do we think that he’s such an idiot that he doesn’t even know that source of valuable insights even exists?

Who is going by HF in this? I am going by the numbers, the system, and the end results. Do you deny there are not a lot of similarities there or shall we ignore that just because?

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by the2bears

How about the poster who wrote this?



I'd say this makes them less of a Flames fan.

And you would be right.

Actually I challenge you to find a single positive post that Rowdy has ever made. I do not think they are a fan.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

And you would be right.

Actually I challenge you to find a single positive post that Rowdy has ever made. I do not think they are a fan.

He also seems to have some sort of vendetta against Dougie Hamilton.

[gargamel]

If Treliving were fired and Peters not hired and we instead brought in Feaster and Hartley, would anyone be less excited about this season? What a waste of a rebuild this has been.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Who is going by HF in this? I am going by the numbers, the system, and the end results. Do you deny there are not a lot of similarities there or shall we ignore that just because?

My apologies, what source are you using to gain Canes fans insights on Peters PP?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bluck

I don’t know why people think the canes are so terrible. They spot one of the best young up and coming d cores in the league. They have some really good forwards in Aho and Terivainen and they are a pretty fast team as a whole. Not to mention they are a budget team who finished 1, yes 1 point behind the Flames with 83 points in arguably the hardest division in hockey with the Pens, Caps, Jackets, Devils and Flyers.

I’d be curious to see what Peters can do with a cap team, a group of veteran defenceman, and a stronger group of forwards then what he had to work with in Carolina in now what can be classed as an easier division then the Met. I preferred Sutter or AV myself but when you look at the situation as a whole, I can see why Tre wants to hire Peters and I really do see a lot upside here. Give him a chance, he may surprise you

They aren’t a good roster
Mainly because they had awful goaltending
The forward group is interesting but a guy like Terevainen shouldn’t be on a top line
They lack elite talent and players

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by the2bears

How about the poster who wrote this?



I'd say this makes them less of a Flames fan.

Going to guess the "can't wait" was sarcastic. No one wants to be negative about a new hire before he's coached a game, but people want to be on record so that they don't get accused of using hidsight bias like we were about this trainwreck of a season. Gulutzan had a track reciird of failure/mediocrity when he was hired and so does Peters.

That doesn't mean that we don't want things to work out; it just means we don't think they will.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Going to guess the "can't wait" was sarcastic. No one wants to be negative about a new hire before he's coached a game, but people want to be on record so that they don't get accused of using hidsight bias like we were about this trainwreck of a season. Gulutzan had a track reciird of failure/mediocrity when he was hired and so does Peters.

That doesn't mean that we don't want things to work out; it just means we don't think they will.

Maybe. But we can guess, or just take them at their words. Plenty of posters have their opinions on record without being so extreme.

And as Yrebmi pointed out, very negative poster. Might be just a troll trying to pass off as a fan. In which case my example becomes irrelevant.

[Rick M.]

Is it not possible to be a ‘possession’ team and have fast breakouts and a successful powerplay?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Also a big complaint Canes fans had was his use of Ryan on the 1st unit PP. He is pretty much their Troy Brouwer so I would expect no change here if he has any input on the PP, I expect Brouwer to be on it again.

He had 15 goals and 38 points. Calling him their Brouwer is wildly inaccurate

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Who is going by HF in this? I am going by the numbers, the system, and the end results. Do you deny there are not a lot of similarities there or shall we ignore that just because?

An oversimpisitic surface look would suggest there are similarities
But do you think you actually understand each of their systems well enough to say if they are he same or not
Or are you going off he fact both play possession hockey?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They aren’t a good roster
Mainly because they had awful goaltending
The forward group is interesting but a guy like Terevainen shouldn’t be on a top line
They lack elite talent and players

Goaltending is mainly a function of the team.

Yes Darling had a bad year one year but the save percentage that follows Peters is roughly .905