[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Computerjungle

https://cardiaccane.com/2018/03/13/c...d-his-welcome/

Please cut and paste hurricanes to flames in a year

Section 328, (a rather popular Canes fan page) put it beautifully on their Twitter page when they mentioned the frustration of having another disappointing result when posting at least 40 shots on goal against an inexperienced netminder. Once again, the Canes peppered the opposing goalie, on March 12 at MSG, to no avail.

I don't know anything about Peters but what I read online, but reading that makes me feel like walking away. If this is another coach hired to win a stats battle while losing games, being terribly boring to watch and having no character I'll be taking a break from the team until there is another change. There are players on the Flames that I love, but the team has been really hard to cheer for under GG and I have zero interest in going through a repeat of that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No, I didn’t say that.

Staal’s stat line is a fact. That there is correlation between coach and his stats is pretty obvious to me.
And you want to rationalize it. That is fine. But more of a stretch I think to dismiss impact of the coach.

Productivity of the team overall and of elite assets should be a concern.

Also, Canes fans brought it up, not just me.

I am the one rationalizing?

A few posters now have pointed to SEVERAL players on the Hurricanes roster who have had career years and renaissances under Peters' coaching, and I am the one rationalizing?

Give me a break. Staal was not the only "elite asset" under Peters in Carolina. You have been DEAD SET against any and every suggestion since this news broke that he might be a better coach than you are willing to concede.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I don't know anything about Peters but what I read online, but reading that makes me feel like walking away. If this is another coach hired to win a stats battle while losing games, being terribly boring to watch and having no character I'll be taking a break from the team until there is another change. There are players on the Flames that I love, but the team has been really hard to cheer for under GG and I have zero interest in going through a repeat of that.

In what universe is any coach hired to win the stats battle and lose hockey games?

[dino7c]

Canes didn't have enough high end skill upfront like the Flames. Similarities may not be on the coach

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

In what universe is any coach hired to win the stats battle and lose hockey games?

This universe, and Calgary is the very center of it.

[cannon7]

Can we please stop pretending Peters is not an unpopular choice? Please mosey on over to the coaching poll and see for yourself.

The fans who don't want Peters don't have a personal vendetta towards Peters. They just don't want to see another year of this roster wasted on more of the same. Peters does not instill confidence whatsoever that things will get better next season. If it turns out he's the pick, then he'll have his work cut out for him.

[Joborule]

You can't fault this fanbase for being upset if the Flames yet again come out to a slow start. You have 82 games in a season, and each of them counts. Screwing the pooch and not having favorable stats and being in a playoff position by thanksgiving will not sit well with me. I don't want another season where Flames need to have multiple lengthy winning streaks just to get back into the playoff race. I want winning streaks that provides them more security in a playoff spot instead.

[Pipty]

https://flamesnation.ca/2018/04/20/b...-stop-calgary/

Article mentions they spent alot of time together obviously they have some sort of friendship weather be close or not... Why else is everything so rushed for Peter's to be confident enough to leave a guaranteed million dollar contract. Why else do we not wait for playoffs to be over and many more potential candidates to be available. That's the way things work in this business and most other ones as well. Like any other team was going to rush and sign this guy before we get the chance. It was the same with Brouwer, he wanted to come to play here and would have likely taken less, another head scratcher from Tre. Likely no other candidate was even interviewed.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This universe, and Calgary is the very center of it.

It’s kinda scary that I can’t tell if you’re joking because this is such a ridiculous statement, it should be abundantly obvious.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Joborule

You can't fault this fanbase for being upset if the Flames yet again come out to a slow start. You have 82 games in a season, and each of them counts. Screwing the pooch and not having favorable stats and being in a playoff position by thanksgiving will not sit well with me. I don't want another season where Flames need to have multiple lengthy winning streaks just to get back into the playoff race. I want winning streaks that provides them more security in a playoff spot instead.

So, on 20 April, before the 2018 Stanley Cup has been awarded, before the Flames next head coach has been announced, before he has hired a single assistant, before the GM has made a single adjustment to the roster you are already making projections of a dire outcome for next season.

Is this not just a little bit short-sighted?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

In what universe is any coach hired to win the stats battle and lose hockey games?

The universe in which a GM believes that performance in those team stats or having an approach to coaching based upon those stats is the measure of a good coach, and in which having a coach who measures team performance through using those stats actually results in boring team play and losing records.

[bubbsy]

Meh, treliving better hope this is the right guy or he'll be out of a job himself too...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, on 20 April, before the 2018 Stanley Cup has been awarded, before the Flames next head coach has been announced, before he has hired a single assistant, before the GM has made a single adjustment to the roster you are already making projections of a dire outcome for next season.

Is this not just a little bit short-sighted?

I want a coach so good that we retroactively win the division and replace Vegas in the 2nd round of this years playoffs.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

The universe in which a GM believes that performance in those team stats or having an approach to coaching based upon those stats is the measure of a good coach, and in which having a coach who measures team performance through using those stats actually results in boring team play and losing records.

And what evidence do you have that any GM believes this?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I want a coach so good that we retroactively win the division and replace Vegas in the 2nd round of this years playoffs.

Would that be Alain Vignault or Darryl Sutter?

[Deegee]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, on 20 April, before the 2018 Stanley Cup has been awarded, before the Flames next head coach has been announced, before he has hired a single assistant, before the GM has made a single adjustment to the roster you are already making projections of a dire outcome for next season.

Is this not just a little bit short-sighted?

I think it's reasonable. Peters hasn't really been a winner in his career.

Yet, this is who we think is going to take us to the promised land?

Seems normal to me to equate losing at almost every level with negativity if he is the one who is going to the one in control of motivating the player group.

In fact, based on past performance, which is usually a good indicator of future performance, it would be pretty irrational to think he's going to have success after years of losing.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am the one rationalizing?

A few posters now have pointed to SEVERAL players on the Hurricanes roster who have had career years and renaissances under Peters' coaching, and I am the one rationalizing?

Give me a break. Staal was not the only "elite asset" under Peters in Carolina. You have been DEAD SET against any and every suggestion since this news broke that he might be a better coach than you are willing to concede.

I don’t think you are accurately reflecting things.

There were some players who were flat and producing as expected, there were a couple of new players that had no history prior to Peters and naturally were developing.

I’ll say it again. When Peters joined, Staal was the top scorer on the team and got something like 51 and 54 points. Until Aho and Teravainen, two very young stars showed up, after Staal left, btw, nobody on the whole team, including Eric Staal (who was good for 40 plus goals this year), got over 54 points.

There are not career years or thriving players sprinkled across the team those years

I’ll let you do the homework and see when the last time was that a Hurricanes player got 70 points.

He had an asset capable of 70 points and did not get it out if him. Full stop.

I have heard people in the hockey industry who are baffled. Who have said the same things as people here. That he hasn’t accomplished anything.

I am open to being convinced but all there is to go on is shortfalls and excuses, and hope.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, on 20 April, before the 2018 Stanley Cup has been awarded, before the Flames next head coach has been announced, before he has hired a single assistant, before the GM has made a single adjustment to the roster you are already making projections of a dire outcome for next season.

Is this not just a little bit short-sighted?

No it's more of a "I'm tired of seeing my favorite team, whom I've dumped countless hours and dollars into, continually spiral on a steady decline into mediocrity."

At least that's what I got out of it.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, on 20 April, before the 2018 Stanley Cup has been awarded, before the Flames next head coach has been announced, before he has hired a single assistant, before the GM has made a single adjustment to the roster you are already making projections of a dire outcome for next season.

Is this not just a little bit short-sighted?

It's a general statement. Whatever changes are made from here on out, doesn't change what I expect from this team in order to be content.

Peter's hire doesn't inspire confidence to me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong if he's part of the solution that does lead to a satisfactory Flames start of the season. I'm not asking for them to be Vegas, just don't put themselves behind the 8-ball by December for the third season in the row.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And what evidence do you have that any GM believes this?

Is there any evidence that Peters, if hired, will be joining the Flames on the basis of a record that shows a strong history of winning as a head coach? Nope.

Has Treliving in the past hired a coach with a poor winning record and a strong inclination towards systems play whose team won shot battles while playing boring hockey and losing games? Yes.