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troutman · 04-20-2018, 11:05 AM

I don't see how this sells tickets or causes STH's to re-new.

transplant99 · 04-20-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Misterpants

I don't think a guy gets that many postings to Hockey Canada without knowing a thing or two about coaching. I am totally ignorant on the coaching style he employs or the system he uses. Can anyone comment on the type of style that Carolina played the last 4 years?

Watch the Leafs.

It's going to be a very similar style.

howard_the_duck · 04-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy City

That's exactly all it takes. You could have the greatest and best tools in your toolbox but you won't be able to get the job done if you don't know how to use them/misuse them.

Randy Carlyle, Mike Keenan. Both have cups.

GranteedEV · 04-20-2018, 11:06 AM

Look, I'm not trying to bash Bill Peters. Maybe he can take us to the playoffs. Maybe he can win us a round. Maybe he can win himself a Jack Adams.

But I'm just a bit frustrated by an organization whose only objective it seems to be is to keep the cap hits low. Brent Sutter. Glen Gulutzan. Bill Peters. I highly doubt this team suddenly finds itself in the top ten in scoring under Peters, regardless of how not-talented the Hurricanes are. They were in the top ten in scoring two years in a row under Bob, so it's not like they don't have it in them.

Why is offense so hated by this team's management? We continually replace skill, talent, and ambition with grinder aesthetics and conformity.

It permeates into the locker room with a leader like Brouwer holding a letter on his jersey and probably contributing much more than destructive criticism towards more innately capable players.

Just gonna post this to close the rant:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en...-hockey-russia

Monahan For Mayor · 04-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Misterpants

I don't think a guy gets that many postings to Hockey Canada without knowing a thing or two about coaching. I am totally ignorant on the coaching style he employs or the system he uses. Can anyone comment on the type of style that Carolina played the last 4 years?

I watched a few games last year. Every game I seen I noticed two things. Tenacious on the puck and play with speed.

Demaeon · 04-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Computerjungle

https://cardiaccane.com/2018/03/13/c...d-his-welcome/

Please cut and paste hurricanes to flames in a year

To be honest, as someone who's holding judgement until he's actually coached the Flames next year (let alone actually been hired for the job), the fact that the author gives a possible alternative to Peters having been the problem for each of his 5 listed reasons actually makes me lean more towards giving him the benefit of the doubt.

mikephoen · 04-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Right now is hiring a 5 million dollar coach going to increase revenue, they're pretty close to tapped on their revenue streams nes pas?

Or are fans going to be willing to pay lets say $10 bucks more per ticket per home game because we have a new highly paid coach?

$5,000,000/40/16k + slack

Fans will pay a lot more for playoff tickets. Especially later round playoff tickets. That's how the team makes more money than they currently do. All funding decisions should be towards the goal of more playoff games.

The Boy Wonder · 04-20-2018, 11:07 AM

Just please play exciting hockey next year... Don't want to see the same boring slow plodding flames attack and breakout.

Flames will still finish middle to bottom of the pack, wash rinse repeat

Swayze11 · 04-20-2018, 11:07 AM

I really like the hire. I like how blunt he is and isn't afraid to be a hard ass and call people out. GG was just too nice (besides his stick throwing incident but I highly doubt a lot of players took him seriously).

His team has been one of the top possession teams, the Canes are built pretty similar to the Flames but couldn't get any goalie to stop a puck.

The key is special teams (mostly just PP) and hiring good assistants.

dino7c · 04-20-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not common for a team to finish 31st overall one year and make the playoffs soundly in the two seasons following. Matthews obviously is a big help, but the Leafs are night and day before and after Babcock. Their underlying numbers are good and they are an entertaining team.

Babcock is simply one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Totally missing my point that you can't just look at a coaches record and decide if he is good or not. Even with the "greatest coach of all time" the Leafs with a bad roster were 30th out of 30 teams.

Coach can only do so much, Carolina had a very poor roster so it's hard to judge the guy on wins and losses.

Bill Peters won a memorial cup, he must be able to succeed with the right players

wwkayaker · 04-20-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Right now is hiring a 5 million dollar coach going to increase revenue, they're pretty close to tapped on their revenue streams nes pas?

Or are fans going to be willing to pay lets say $10 bucks more per ticket per home game because we have a new highly paid coach?

$5,000,000/40/16k + slack

I think a round or two of playoff revenue would go a long way to paying a coach’s salary.

lambeburger · 04-20-2018, 11:08 AM

I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the team play next season, but it just seems like another bargain-bin coach hiring.

GordonBlue · 04-20-2018, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Split98

Can't say I'm too excited considering what's else is available, but if he's the coach then so be it.

Definitely excited to have renewed interest in game 1 this season, and if he's behind our bench let's hope that everyone here at least gives this guy half a season before readying the canon.

doesn't it seem odd though, to not take more time and look at other candidates?
not much of a process.
get this coach wrong, Tre will lose his job.

dino7c · 04-20-2018, 11:09 AM

End of the day the Flames need better players....sorry but nobody is contending with Ferland as their top RW

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 04-20-2018, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Risky move by Treliving. Treeboy is pretty much betting his GM career on Peters.

My bold prediction is that if Peters is in fact hired, in 3 years the Flames will have a new GM and another new coach.

Is your prediction really that bold? Betting sports team failure is a pretty safe bet. Less teams succeed and don't in sports, and the ones that do, simply raise the bar of what success is to the point that the stop succeeding again. By 3 years from now, even if this works short term, the conversation will shift from getting us to the playoffs to why haven't we won a championship and do we have the right GM and Coach to get us over that hump.

It's why there is always so much change in this industry, only 1 out of 32 or whatever teams ever actually succeeds each year, and peoples memories get short, even if you win.

Ashasx · 04-20-2018, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Totally missing my point that you can't just look at a coaches record and decide if he is good or not. Even with the "greatest coach of all time" the Leafs with a bad roster were 30th out of 30 teams.

Coach can only do so much, Carolina had a very poor roster so it's hard to judge the guy on wins and losses.

Bill Peters won a memorial cup, he must be able to succeed with the right players

I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm one of the people in this thread pushing the narrative that you can't evaluating a coach by pure wins and losses.

Lanny_McDonald · 04-20-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

I don't see how this sells tickets or causes STH's to re-new.

I see potential for the opposite.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 04-20-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

I don't see how this sells tickets or causes STH's to re-new.

I get what you are saying, but people don't pay to see the coach, whoever it might be, they pay to see the on ice talent.

Split98 · 04-20-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Right now is hiring a 5 million dollar coach going to increase revenue, they're pretty close to tapped on their revenue streams nes pas?

Or are fans going to be willing to pay lets say $10 bucks more per ticket per home game because we have a new highly paid coach?

$5,000,000/40/16k + slack

I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers didn't add up, but my gut feeling is that the last 1/4 of the season (at least) hurt the Flames ticket sales. More of the same would be a painful year at the box office.

I'm just not sure what those numbers are.

howard_the_duck · 04-20-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Just please play exciting hockey next year... Don't want to see the same boring slow plodding flames attack and breakout.

Flames will still finish middle to bottom of the pack, wash rinse repeat

And that's on Treliving too. Brouwer, Stajan, Monahan, Tkachuk; a full 1/3 of the Flames forward group were below average skaters.

Some speed needs to make its way into this lineup this offseason to arm the new coach with a roster capable of carrying out his system. If it's a speed system (and it needs to be) then the roster is poorly constructed as it stands