[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[CliffFletcher]

1) If coaches were as influential on the team as some here seem to believe, they'd be paid $10 mil a season.

2) If it was a simple as hiring the guy who has the most career wins, Ron Wilson, Mike Keenan, and Lindy Ruff would all have NHL head coaching jobs right now.

3) Carolina for Peters' tenure has been a rebuilding, low-budget team with probably the worst group of forwards in the league, and poor goaltending.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's also the possibility that the Flames owners who aren't making money hand over fist (<5 million in operating income last season). Are going to hire a 5 or more million dollar a year coach, and that looks like the growing rate for the coaches that are considered to be elite in this league. Especially with Gully still getting paid I think 1.6 million for next year.

I doubt the Flames owners are going to invest more then they have to until they know where the new building stands, I doubt that unlike previous owners that they're all that fired up about possibly losing money.

I won't judge the Peter's hiring if it happens, until after next season is over.

But the truth is, after Hartley and Gully coming and going quickly, I doubt they'll be willing to fire another coach quickly, so a Peter's hire is going to stick with this franchise for multiple years unless he's caught knee deep in a cocaine smuggling ring using hookers as mules on video scandal.

Interesting risk/reward scenario they're in right now.

Risk paying a coach more and hope that the fans turn out and increase income
-or-
Save money on a coach and hope that he's able to turn this team around the same

With the billions in their pockets, I'd be hoping that they'd gamble on the former

[taco.vidal]

Yeah puke on this. ��

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by icecube

I'm sure Bingo is already on it.

That's a dooshy comment.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

Lighten up Francis. It was a joke.

It was pejorative and unfunny. You should feel bad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

...so a Peter's hire is going to stick with this franchise for multiple years unless he's caught knee deep in a cocaine smuggling ring using hookers as mules on video scandal.

You kidding? That could get him elected President of the United States!

[zukes]

I don't know how successful Peters has been in the past, but at the very least he is a guy who is leaving a guaranteed job to come to a job that he really wants! He is coming home. That's got to amount to something.

Here's another positive thing. Most of the other candidates have been fired as an NHL head coach. Bill Peters has not been fired as an NHL coach.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Man, this board is becoming insufferable.

Can't recall this much hyperbole and negativity in the past ~12 years I've been on CP. Let it play out, people. If it doesn't work out, and turns out to be a misstep, Treliving will be fired. And if all it takes is a 'bad' coach to ruin the window of opportunity to win with this core, then the core was never good enough to begin with.

Also, they don't hand out awards for "I told you so" on the internet, so stop trying to tell people you're going to be right and maybe let it play out? The basis for already hating Bill Peters is a completely fabricated narrative.

That's exactly all it takes. You could have the greatest and best tools in your toolbox but you won't be able to get the job done if you don't know how to use them/misuse them.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Turned it around? He won a ####ing lottery and had other high picks. My point was that you can't just look at records

It's not common for a team to finish 31st overall one year and make the playoffs soundly in the two seasons following. Matthews obviously is a big help, but the Leafs are night and day before and after Babcock. Their underlying numbers are good and they are an entertaining team.

Babcock is simply one of the greatest coaches of all time.

[Misterpants]

I don't think a guy gets that many postings to Hockey Canada without knowing a thing or two about coaching. I am totally ignorant on the coaching style he employs or the system he uses. Can anyone comment on the type of style that Carolina played the last 4 years?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

You kidding? That could get him elected President of the United States!

Now THAT was funny.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I, For One, Welcome Our New Bill Peters Overlord.

[Caged Great]

Kind of a pointless shuffling the deck chairs type move. Neither coach seems to have had any success at all, and their teams have the same problems. Maybe what the problem was, was how things were executed on the ice. So getting roughly the same guy for this go around makes little sense other than to use GG as a scapegoat.

Just frustrating that this team will spend all the money they need to on the ice, but won't spend anything above the minimum to get someone good for the coaching staff, which has a great deal of things to do with how the guys on the ice get used.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Split98

Interesting risk/reward scenario they're in right now.

Risk paying a coach more and hope that the fans turn out and increase income
-or-
Save money on a coach and hope that he's able to turn this team around the same

With the billions in their pockets, I'd be hoping that they'd gamble on the former

Right now is hiring a 5 million dollar coach going to increase revenue, they're pretty close to tapped on their revenue streams nes pas?

Or are fans going to be willing to pay lets say $10 bucks more per ticket per home game because we have a new highly paid coach?

$5,000,000/40/16k + slack

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I can understand the reaction, if people are like me, you really don't know what you are getting from a coach you don't see much of and doesn't have a huge tenure, so all you can look at it record, and of course Peters is underwhealming. But as many have pointed out, coaching is a pretty hard thing to evaluate at the best of times.

But the coaching debates on here are very indicative of how black and white people try to make things. When we hired GG, the narative on here was mostly (if I remember correctly) absolute fear that the Flames would go out and hire one of the more tenured known quantity coaches. People were pleading for BT to follow the trend of the new NHL and hire a "new era" coach, which is what he did. Now that that didn't work out, people are raging against hiring another less than known entity and begging for veteran coach with a proven tack record.

From all reports, Peters couldn't be more different than GG in style, but obviously they are similar in that they haven't proven themselves yet. I have no idea if this will be a good hire, but I do suspect that this will be BTs last coaching selection as GM of the Flames if it doesn't work out, and I'm sure BT suspects that (if not knows it) so at least we know this is the guy he wants to ride his job on. We'll see what happens.

[AC]

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Kind of a pointless shuffling the deck chairs type move. Neither coach seems to have had any success at all, and their teams have the same problems. Maybe what the problem was, was how things were executed on the ice, so getting roughly the same guy for this go around makes little sense other than to use GG as a scapegoat...

Maybe. Or maybe this is a sign that there were some things that Treliving liked about how the team was coached, wishes to maintain that, and believes that Peters can make improvements in other areas which he thinks are more pressing.

[taco.vidal]

Risky move by Treliving. Treeboy is pretty much betting his GM career on Peters.

My bold prediction is that if Peters is in fact hired, in 3 years the Flames will have a new GM and another new coach.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Misterpants

I don't think a guy gets that many postings to Hockey Canada without knowing a thing or two about coaching. I am totally ignorant on the coaching style he employs or the system he uses. Can anyone comment on the type of style that Carolina played the last 4 years?

Based on what Carolina media and fans are saying, its about as close to what Calgary's seen over the last 1.5 years under GG:

Great Corsi
Terrible results

If he's hired, we'll find out soon enough just how big of an upgrade this was.
I'm in the skeptical group, I don't hold much credit to the world championships as that tournament is what all the teams who bomb out of the regular season have to look forward to every year aka usually filled with E=NG and former castoffs. Its definitely nothing compared to regular NHL hockey.

[CaptainCrunch]

From what I've heard, he's technically suppossed to be a very good coach. He's a lot more of a hard a$$ and a lot more blunt then GG who was considered a extreme players coach.

But this will come down to the assistants. I also think that we should look at the team that he was coaching as not being a great team, he might have a more talented mix to work with here.