[News Roundup] Garbage bag day: Monahan had 4 surgeries!

[Moneyhands23]

So....still....not...fired...

Rats!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

In my opinion, I KNOW he isn't good enough. What part of the evaluation process am I missing? A few angry or motivating speeches behind closed doors? I'm sure he's a good person all around, but this is results oriented. If this was his first year I would be way more open to a whole bundle of excuses.

Obviously we aren't privy to all knowledge but based on what I do know, If he keeps his job, I'll be absolutely shocked. If he does keep it, I would hope the leash would be very short.

When a coach doesn't get results and has...
1. A system that stifles creativity, and speed for possession
2. No clue on what to do with players, when AND where to use them.
3. A powerplay that breaks historical records for being so bad.
4. A team that should be and playoffs and isn't even close.
5. A team that gives up 2 goals in a few minutes 20+ times.
6. A d-corp that goes from 203, down to 176, down to 146 points.
7. No or very little adaption with any of the above.

Such a coach should be fired. At the VERY least, his assistants.

Unless you are actually a member of the hockey club you are literally missing 90% of what's needed to perform a true evaluation on GG. You can form an opinion on the results like we all do, and it is a results oriented business, but you have very little to go on in regards to knowing the WHY those results happened.

The fact you boil up every thing you are missing to simply a "few angry speeches behind closed doors" is a testament to how truly out of touch we are in regards to what we think we know as fans.

[md-]

Originally Posted by Rtown

Does anyone have an idea how typical player exit interviews go? I imagine it's reviews of individual seasons, what were you happy with, what could you improve on, etc. I can't imagine that a player will throw coaches and teammates under the bus?

However what are the odds that say, Stajan, who in all likelihood won't be back next year, opens up to management about possible problem players in the room, or maybe potential reasons why the players tuned out the coaches (if that is indeed the case) that management is not aware of?

well.. the players did say things about hartley that contributed to him getting fired

i think it would be similar with gg in that the players would open up a little

treliving:

"we've got a lot of staff that has opinions"

"getting people's opinions is a big part"

"our players got a big stake in what happens here, I want to hear what they have to say"

"now is a time for digging in, for getting thoughts and comments"

"there's a group of players on our team that didn't reach the potential that they have, we gatta find out why, we gatta find.. how do we help them."

[dissentowner]

I gotta laugh at all these posters saying if GG returns they are not watching. The pain of missing the playoffs is fresh and as the summer drags on the urge to see some Flames hockey will gnaw away at you and you will be back for game 1. Guaranteed.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I gotta laugh at all these posters saying if GG returns they are not watching. The pain of missing the playoffs is fresh and as the summer drags on the urge to see some Flames hockey will gnaw away at you and you will be back for game 1. Guaranteed.

How dare you say such things

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Better odds than putting it all on Red.
He argued with me till 3am one night regarding Johnny's diet despite me presenting audio/visual proof

He wasn’t arguing with you. He was “informing” you.

Any way I guess it’s good this board has all kinds. If there too many posters as smart and good looking as me, you all would hate it here.

[FiveSeven]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Unless you are actually a member of the hockey club you are literally missing 90% of what's needed to perform a true evaluation on GG. You can form an opinion on the results like we all do, and it is a results oriented business, but you have very little to go on in regards to knowing the WHY those results happened.

The fact you boil up every thing you are missing to simply a "few angry speeches behind closed doors" is a testament to how truly out of touch we are in regards to what we think we know as fans.

I just base that on having played multiple sports competitively throughout my younger years and having many coaches. The teams have partially taken on the temperament of the coach. At the same time they have systems, they have an idea on where a player should play and when they should play. They aren't sports psychologists or therapists. They are there to extract the best results out of a group. Just because its the NHL doesn't mean there is some sort of magic that goes on. Going big time isn't because you reinvented the coaching wheel. Every coach has different ways of doing the same things. Some are personal, some are impersonal. No doubt we are missing things, but in my eyes its a 20% not a 90%. In regards to players, that's where I would say I'm missing 90%.

[Insufficient Funds]

It was mentioned on The Fan that Dougie wasn't made available for any press today. I find this to be very disappointing and completely out of step with what I would expect from a young star player on the team.

You are not Kipper. You don't get to decide when you feel like facing the music or not. You are not infallible in this crap of a season, even with your goals by a defenceman lead. Baring a personal reason that would excuse him, this kind of behaviour (I believe) is an indicator of an individual that does not put the team first.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe he has a legit reason. Or maybe he's just that introverted and can't deal. Dougie is an NHL star defenceman though and he needs to stand with his teammates though it all. Just grinds my gears is all.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

It was mentioned on The Fan that Dougie wasn't made available for any press today. I find this to be very disappointing and completely out of step with what I would expect from a young star player on the team.

You are not Kipper. You don't get to decide when you feel like facing the music or not. You are not infallible in this crap of a season, even with your goals by a defenceman lead. Baring a personal reason that would excuse him, this kind of behaviour (I believe) is an indicator of an individual that does not put the team first.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe he has a legit reason. Or maybe he's just that introverted and can't deal. Dougie is an NHL star defenceman though and he needs to stand with his teammates though it all. Just grinds my gears is all.

He probably *does* have a good reason, no need to jump to conclusions.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

It was mentioned on The Fan that Dougie wasn't made available for any press today. I find this to be very disappointing and completely out of step with what I would expect from a young star player on the team.

You are not Kipper. You don't get to decide when you feel like facing the music or not. You are not infallible in this crap of a season, even with your goals by a defenceman lead. Baring a personal reason that would excuse him, this kind of behaviour (I believe) is an indicator of an individual that does not put the team first.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe he has a legit reason. Or maybe he's just that introverted and can't deal. Dougie is an NHL star defenceman though and he needs to stand with his teammates though it all. Just grinds my gears is all.

Breathe....Funds....breathe....

Okay, my question, what is [Dougie wasn't made available for any press today]means. Was it that the team doesn't want him talking to the press? It didn't say Dougie refused to talked to the press. Could it be that the team didn't want Dougie spilling the bean?

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

It was mentioned on The Fan that Dougie wasn't made available for any press today. I find this to be very disappointing and completely out of step with what I would expect from a young star player on the team.

You are not Kipper. You don't get to decide when you feel like facing the music or not. You are not infallible in this crap of a season, even with your goals by a defenceman lead. Baring a personal reason that would excuse him, this kind of behaviour (I believe) is an indicator of an individual that does not put the team first.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe he has a legit reason. Or maybe he's just that introverted and can't deal. Dougie is an NHL star defenceman though and he needs to stand with his teammates though it all. Just grinds my gears is all.

So kipper gets a pass but Hamilton does not? Thats sounds fair.

Lets check the boxes for Hamilton:
Is a Veteran - Nope
Wears a letter on his Jersey - Nope
Long time Flame - Nope

If Calgary believes that the 24 year old in his 3rd season should be up there doing this interviews they are doing it wrong. Or maybe they know better and thats why he wasn't available.

Hamilton is one of the most liked players in the room. He is consistently lightening the mood, playing pranks and is a friend to everyone. Is this the guy the flames should have up front with media showing a serious/mad face and talking about a down season?

The irrational hate on this board for Hamilton is at a point where it is just plan ludicrous. What more could this guy do to make people happy?
-Played all 82 games and finished top 5 in +/-
-Was the only player to play all 82 games that finished positive in +/-
-Finished 5th in team scoring......Yes 5th.
-Finished second in GWG
-Consistently played 20+ minutes a game against the top lines.

But i guess irrational hate can be all over him because he plays positional and doesn't throw big hits like Phanuef, which worked out so well when he missed the hit. "Anyone can do that playing with Gio look at Brodie". What about when he was in Boston? I guess it was his partner there too. When Gio retires if Hamilton is still here it will probably be his new partner again who is floating him.

This is why we can't have nice things because the second we do we #### all over them. Johnny with his diet, Hamilton with his "soft" play, Monahan "will never be a #1 centre".

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

It was mentioned on The Fan that Dougie wasn't made available for any press today. I find this to be very disappointing and completely out of step with what I would expect from a young star player on the team.

You are not Kipper. You don't get to decide when you feel like facing the music or not. You are not infallible in this crap of a season, even with your goals by a defenceman lead. Baring a personal reason that would excuse him, this kind of behaviour (I believe) is an indicator of an individual that does not put the team first.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe he has a legit reason. Or maybe he's just that introverted and can't deal. Dougie is an NHL star defenceman though and he needs to stand with his teammates though it all. Just grinds my gears is all.

Ran into him in the dog park the other day. Guy said hi. Didn’t seem shy and introverted so I’d say you may be off base a little.

[Strange Brew]

Any idea why he wasn't "made available"?

I didn't think teams prevented certain players from talking to the media at the end of the year. That seems weird.

[Insufficient Funds]

Yeah Kipper got a pass because he was one of the only reasons that the Flames were in or made the playoffs. Top 3 goalie in the world.

Maybe the Flames were the ones to hold him back today, true enough. I'm not sure why they would do this.

My disapointment with him stands. He is a veteran player as he just finished his 6 th NHL season. It doesn't matter if he wears a letter. He's the teams best offensive d man and is a big part of the core of this team. I never claimed to "hate" him, far from it. He's been one of the better players this year but I think he's had more than a couple gaffs that have been costly.

I'm disappointed that he wasn't there being accountable WITH his teammates. That's all.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I gotta laugh at all these posters saying if GG returns they are not watching. The pain of missing the playoffs is fresh and as the summer drags on the urge to see some Flames hockey will gnaw away at you and you will be back for game 1. Guaranteed.

Really? I didn't watch a full Flames game since the all star break, and didn't watch more than ten minutes of any game since the trade deadline. Didn't see a minute of the final five or six games and didn't miss it. Watching Gulutzan hockey was painful and gave no joy what so ever. Way better hockey being played around the league to bother with the Flames and Gulutzan's brand of garbage. If he's back I don't think I would bother watching the Flames, and might just cancel Center Ice all together. Gulutzan has turned a life long hockey junky into someone that could take it or leave it at this point. Well done Flames. You've killed the interest of one of your passionate die hards.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Unless you are actually a member of the hockey club you are literally missing 90% of what's needed to perform a true evaluation on GG. You can form an opinion on the results like we all do, and it is a results oriented business, but you have very little to go on in regards to knowing the WHY those results happened.

In general I think the fans on CP have done a great job of articulating specific issues they've had with GG's coaching, lines, tactics and decisions.

You're right that we'll never know 100% what went wrong or what's behind closed doors, but they analysis of GG has been very well articulated for the most part.
I think fans know more than you're giving credit for and certainly more than 10% of what went wrong.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by New Era

Really? I didn't watch a full Flames game since the all star break, and didn't watch more than ten minutes of any game since the trade deadline. Didn't see a minute of the final five or six games and didn't miss it. Watching Gulutzan hockey was painful and gave no joy what so ever. Way better hockey being played around the league to bother with the Flames and Gulutzan's brand of garbage. If he's back I don't think I would bother watching the Flames, and might just cancel Center Ice all together. Gulutzan has turned a life long hockey junky into someone that could take it or leave it at this point. Well done Flames. You've killed the interest of one of your passionate die hards.

See you in September

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

Yeah Kipper got a pass because he was one of the only reasons that the Flames were in or made the playoffs. Top 3 goalie in the world.

Maybe the Flames were the ones to hold him back today, true enough. I'm not sure why they would do this.

My disapointment with him stands. He is a veteran player as he just finished his 6 th NHL season. It doesn't matter if he wears a letter. He's the teams best offensive d man and is a big part of the core of this team. I never claimed to "hate" him, far from it. He's been one of the better players this year but I think he's had more than a couple gaffs that have been costly.

I'm disappointed that he wasn't there being accountable WITH his teammates. That's all.

You're disappointed about something you have very little background knowledge on. Is it such a stretch to think there are good reasons? Multiple possible reasons, all of which are legitimate?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Any idea why he wasn't "made available"?

I didn't think teams prevented certain players from talking to the media at the end of the year. That seems weird.

I doubt this is a case that the Flames prevented him from speaking. I think it's just how the wording is, as players the Flames "provide" them to the media, in that they wouldn't normally set up a conference on their own. It might even be part of the CBA that players need to be available. But, in the case of a legitimate reason for Hamilton to miss this, it would be the Flames that would provide this information to the media.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

It’s more of a “owners are cheap because they haven’t spent on a top quality coach since 1990...” that’s basically the gripe for most people and just a sense that we haven’t had much success over the past 25 years so we blame the one thing that’s been pretty much constant over that period.

And so what tells you it’s a money thing?

We spend to the cap, we hired Burke (who was one of the most sought out hockey minds), etc.

It’s a poor narrative for people who are correlating hockey ops to an arena.