04-09-2018, 04:45 PM
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#9701
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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ROR would be nice however we still need a top RW.
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04-09-2018, 04:49 PM
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#9702
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
i like ROR, but that seems to be a bit of an over payment imo... 2 pieces out of those 3, plus a 3rd rounder maybe depending on the mix...
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Bennett isn't a huge trade chip, but enough of one to get a deal like that over the top. Brodie isn't enough to get ROR on his own. Even Brodie and Bennett won't get you ROR, so enter Fox.
Keep in mind part of my thinking is based on A) Fox likely not signing with the Flames and turning into a dead asset in about 11 months (which admittedly most don't share my pessimism) and B) wooing their GM early and hopefully closing a deal on a contract that Buffalo sees as an issue down the road.
Last edited by jayswin; 04-09-2018 at 04:57 PM.
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04-09-2018, 04:49 PM
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#9703
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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ROR is a much bigger get than I think a lot of CP believe. I love Bennett, I wanted him to be something big, but to be honest at this point if his name was Paul Smith drafted in the 2nd round with everything else the same? Most of CP would throw him into a trade for a number one centre without hesitation.
Bennett can be something, absolutely, but we need to get past the idea of "former 4th overall pick" Bennett and see his value for what it is.
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04-09-2018, 04:53 PM
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#9704
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Doesn't ROR have a NMC? Why would he waive it for the Flames? He signed with the Sabres knowing full well what they were.
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04-09-2018, 04:54 PM
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#9705
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Franchise Player
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He was willing to sign here before, so it's possible he could waive to come here.
Yes it was a long time ago, and a different team, but who knows all the reasons he wanted to come.
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04-09-2018, 04:54 PM
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#9706
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo
ROR would be nice however we still need a top RW.
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Absolutely, but if ROR is available for a reasonable package you get him. I don't know the our cap situation off hand, but losing Brodie's 4.6m and Bennett's 1.9 means we're taking on 1mil extra from ROR's salary while needing to replace one defense spot.
That spot could easily go to Andersson, imo which means likely around $1mil. Bennett's one roster spot gets taken by ROR himself.
That should still allow us to fill a RW spot with what posters have been desiring - An Evander Kane type player in the $5.5-$7mil range
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04-09-2018, 04:55 PM
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#9707
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Bennett isn't a huge trade chip, but enough of one to get a deal like that over the top. Brodie isn't enough to get ROR on his own. Even Brodie and Bennett won't get you ROR, so enter Fox.
Keep in mind part of my thinking is based on A) Fox likely not signing with the Flames and turning into a dead asset in about 11 months and B) wooing their GM early and hopefully closing a deal on a contract that Buffalo sees as an issue down the road.
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i think it really depends on the conversations they've had with Fox... kid has way too much potential to give up on... imo at least, unless he's made it clear that he will not sign with calgary.
Brodie and Bennett + a 3rd?
have to also account for ROR's cap hit which isn't insubstantial at 7.5 until 2023...
not sure how you would fit Kane and ROR in salary wise...
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04-09-2018, 04:56 PM
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#9708
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Doesn't ROR have a NMC? Why would he waive it for the Flames? He signed with the Sabres knowing full well what they were.
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No he didn't. He signed there thinking it was a rebuilding club that was beginning to move up and become a playoff team. Now they're nowhere close and he's visibly and audibly letting it be known that he's struggling to even find passion for the game with how bad they are.
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04-09-2018, 04:58 PM
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#9709
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Franchise Player
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Hamilton, Bennett, Frolik for Simmonds, Patrick, Conditional Pick (Simmonds re-signing or not)
Brodie, Jankowski, Fox, Mangiapane for O'Reilly, McCabe
Sign De Haan
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simmonds
Tkachuk - R O'Reilly - Patrick
Ferland - Backlund - Foo
Dube - Shore - Lazar
Brouwer, Hathaway
Giordano - Hamonic
De Haan - Stone
McCabe - Andersson
Smith
Rittich
Cap - $80 million
Space - $10.4 million
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04-09-2018, 04:58 PM
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#9710
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
No he didn't. He signed there thinking it was a rebuilding club that was beginning to move up and become a playoff team. Now they're nowhere close and he's visibly and audibly letting it be known that he's struggling to even find passion for the game with how bad they are.
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Where did he say that?
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04-09-2018, 05:00 PM
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#9711
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Hamilton, Bennett, Frolik for Simmonds, Patrick, Conditional Pick (Simmonds re-signing or not)
Brodie, Jankowski, Fox, Mangiapane for O'Reilly, McCabe
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Do you mean Nolan Patrick, their second overall pick who also could have gone first overall??!! 
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04-09-2018, 05:03 PM
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#9712
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
i think it really depends on the conversations they've had with Fox... kid has way too much potential to give up on... imo at least, unless he's made it clear that he will not sign with calgary.
Brodie and Bennett + a 3rd?
have to also account for ROR's cap hit which isn't insubstantial at 7.5 until 2023...
not sure how you would fit Kane and ROR in salary wise...
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As noted above, $6.5m out, $8.5m in. Of course that changes once Andersson comes off ELC down the road so admittedly the cap structure could get screwy. But it shouldn't stop us from being able to do something with RW.
Out: Brodie $4.6, Bennett $1.9
In: ROR $7.5, replacing Brodie with Andersson $1mil (estimate)
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04-09-2018, 05:06 PM
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#9713
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Do you mean Nolan Patrick, their second overall pick who also could have gone first overall??!! |
They don't have any other Patrick's that I know of. 
Let's not carried away with draft position. It's all relative. He's a good, young player, but he's not a Patrik Laine or Jack Eichel, and the other piece we get in that deal is going into the final year of his contract, where as the Flames would be dealing one of the top offensive right handed defensemen in the entire league who hasn't even seen his 25th birthday yet and is signed for multiple years for under $6 million.
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04-09-2018, 05:10 PM
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#9714
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
They don't have any other Patrick's that I know of.
Let's not carried away with draft position. It's all relative. He's a good, young player, but he's not a Patrik Laine or Jack Eichel, and the other piece we get in that deal is going into the final year of his contract, where as the Flames would be dealing one of the top offensive right handed defensemen in the entire league who hasn't even seen his 25th birthday yet and is signed for multiple years for under $6 million. |
I really appreciate your optimism RoofDaddy and love your proposals as you normally make realistic ones that are also fun to think about. I can't share in the reality of this one though. 
Teams will always rightfully get carried away with draft position when they haven't even finished their first season after going top 2.
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04-09-2018, 05:15 PM
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#9715
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Do you mean Nolan Patrick, their second overall pick who also could have gone first overall??!! |
They'd have to do it now in order for it to make sense.
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04-09-2018, 05:17 PM
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#9716
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I really appreciate your optimism RoofDaddy and love your proposals as you normally make realistic ones that are also fun to think about. I can't share in the reality of this one though.
Teams will always rightfully get carried away with draft position when they haven't even finished their first season after going top 2. |
I suppose, but even with draft position I don't think it's that out to lunch.
Top young D get big returns. Seth Jones was less proven than Hamilton is now and when traded returned a young #1 center who had recently been drafted 4th overall.
Sergachev had 4 games in the NHL and returned a recent 3rd overall pick who was coming off a 50+ point NHL season in Drouin.
Last edited by Roof-Daddy; 04-09-2018 at 05:20 PM.
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04-09-2018, 05:22 PM
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#9717
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I suppose, but even with draft position I don't think it's that out to lunch.
Top young D get big returns. Seth Jones was less proven than Hamilton is now and when traded returned a young #1 center who had recently been drafted 4th overall.
Sergachev had 4 games in the NHL and returned a recent 3rd overall pick who was coming off a 50+ point NHL season in Drouin.
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That's why I was emphasizing the first year in the league since being drafted aspect. Even if the value was fair you'd be hard pressed to find a GM with the balls to take a number 2 pick and trade him in the hopes that he doesn't turn into an absolute star.
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04-09-2018, 06:41 PM
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#9718
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Hamilton, Bennett, Frolik for Simmonds, Patrick, Conditional Pick (Simmonds re-signing or not)
Brodie, Jankowski, Fox, Mangiapane for O'Reilly, McCabe
Sign De Haan
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simmonds
Tkachuk - R O'Reilly - Patrick
Ferland - Backlund - Foo
Dube - Shore - Lazar
Brouwer, Hathaway
Giordano - Hamonic
De Haan - Stone
McCabe - Andersson
Smith
Rittich
Cap - $80 million
Space - $10.4 million
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Yea..no, especially the Flyers' trade, thats high way robbery
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04-09-2018, 06:48 PM
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#9719
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Singularity
Yea..no, especially the Flyers' trade, thats high way robbery
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Haha
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04-09-2018, 06:49 PM
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#9720
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Nolan Patrick is far and away the most valuable asset that trade. Flyers would be bonkers to do it
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