Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[Heavy Jack]

Kybb and Love are out of it. Monahan has been money since the day he came here and its not even debatable.

He's 13th in points for centerman ~ 10 points behind Sidney freaking Crosby.
He's 8th in Goals for centerman ~ 6 from the tops in the league (Evgeni Malkin)

He's 33rd in ATOI for centerman at 18:41 per game ~ well below what all the players ahead of him in stats are averaging and that's because the Flames actually are quite a bit deeper up front then we tend to give them credit for.

Monahan is legit ~ this thread is here to recognize this FACT ~ can we stop with the crap about Draisaitl and how Monahan isn't elite? His numbers clearly dispute that argument vehemently.

[GioforPM]

Monahan has had a number of very good games against the Oilers.


That is all.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Kybb and Love are out of it. Monahan has been money since the day he came here and its not even debatable.

He's 13th in points for centerman ~ 10 points behind Sidney freaking Crosby.
He's 8th in Goals for centerman ~ 6 from the tops in the league (Evgeni Malkin)

He's 33rd in ATOI for centerman at 18:41 per game ~ well below what all the players ahead of him in stats are averaging and that's because the Flames actually are quite a bit deeper up front then we tend to give them credit for.

Monahan is legit ~ this thread is here to recognize this FACT ~ can we stop with the crap about Draisaitl and how Monahan isn't elite? His numbers clearly dispute that argument vehemently.

Listen I love Monahan as much as the next guy, but I hesitate to label Monahan as an elite centre in the NHL.

Humdinger of a shot, pretty good on faceoffs, but he just doesn't dictate the play like Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Kopitar or Tavares.

I think those stats you listed indicates he's definitely a very good NHL centre but i just can't label him as elite.

The Flames have a long list of extremely average top line centres, especially over the last 15 years or so, so it's obvious why Monahan stands out.

Conroy, Langkow and Jokinen are a who's who of very OK centre ice man. Monahan is and will continue to be better than those three but this team hasn't had an elite C since Doug Gilmour.

But hey Monahan is awesome and I hope he keeps improving!

[DynamRyan]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Listen I love Monahan as much as the next guy, but I hesitate to label Monahan as an elite centre in the NHL.



Humdinger of a shot, pretty good on faceoffs, but he just doesn't dictate the play like Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Kopitar or Tavares.



I think those stats you listed indicates he's definitely a very good NHL centre but i just can't label him as elite.



The Flames have a long list of extremely average top line centres, especially over the last 15 years or so, so it's obvious why Monahan stands out.



Conroy, Langkow and Jokinen are a who's who of very OK centre ice man. Monahan is and will continue to be better than those three but this team hasn't had an elite C since Doug Gilmour.



But hey Monahan is awesome and I hope he keeps improving!

Joe Nieuwendyk says hi, but I do agree that Monahan isn’t an elite centre....yet. Very underrated passer of the puck, very accurate shot, phenomenal release, and gets into the right positions. I think the only area where he truly lacks is carrying the play into the zone by himself, and maybe his stickhandling in close quarters.



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[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by DynamRyan

Joe Nieuwendyk says hi, but I do agree that Monahan isn’t an elite centre....yet. Very underrated passer of the puck, very accurate shot, phenomenal release, and gets into the right positions. I think the only area where he truly lacks is carrying the play into the zone by himself, and maybe his stickhandling in close quarters.



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Roger that! My apologies to Joe, I take full ownership on that glaring omission.

[868904]

Monahan is a good player, he's not "elite" like Mackinnon and McDavid but I think he is in that Joe Pavelski tier and there's nothing wrong with that.

What's holding the Flames back from being a cup contender is not Monahan, it's the development of Bennett.

Bennett is suppose to be a core piece and form a quality 1-2 centremen punch for the Flames to make up for the fact that they don't have an "elite" number 1 centreman.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Elite or not, dollars for production we are looking at a good deal 6.375 for the next 5 years (?). He is paid like the 63 point guy he has shown to be over the past few years, but looks to have taken another step, hopefully sustainable, towards scoring in the 70s.

For elite centres
Malkin 9.5
Kopitar 10
Tavares 5.5 now, but expiring and will be paid
Crosby 8.7
McJesus 12.5 (!)

If Crosby took fair market value, you are starting to look at the bar for an elite center starting in double digits.

Tre locked this kid up at the right time.

[Dajazz]

Monahan is probably the best (non-entry level) contract bang for the buck center in the league. 30-40g scorer, clutch scorer, face off man. Is he elite? What is elite? How many elite centres are there? 5? 10?

No particular order, who's clearly ahead now?

Crosby
McCheeseburger
Malkin
Tavares
Stamkos
Bergeron?
McKinnon?
Toews?
Kopitar?

Call me a homer, but i can find 5 that are definately better. 10? Not sure I can. So elite? Again, what's elite? Top 5? He's not. Top 10? Probably. Top 15? For sure.

[edslunch]

Elite is an over-used term. It is meant to identify the cream of the crop, the head and shoulders above the rest type of player. If you name more that 3-5 players then you're watering down the definition. Monahan is a great player, love him on the Flames, but he is not elite, along with 98% of NHL centres.

[FBI]

Monahan doesn't really have a chance to carry the puck into the zone very often since Gaudreau always does it and is better. I think Monahan is actually decent at this as we see every once in awhile.. We would see it more if he was on a different line.

[SeanCharles]

Who cares what ppl want to use as a measuring stick for elite status in regards to Monahan..

He's a beauty and we are lucky to have him.

Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Hamilton are all young top end players and I'm glad they will all be Flames for years to come.

If Bennett and Jankowski reach their potential we will be setup for years of a high end team.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by 868904

Monahan is a good player, he's not "elite" like Mackinnon and McDavid but I think he is in that Joe Pavelski tier and there's nothing wrong with that.

What's holding the Flames back from being a cup contender is not Monahan, it's the development of Bennett.

Bennett is suppose to be a core piece and form a quality 1-2 centremen punch for the Flames to make up for the fact that they don't have an "elite" number 1 centreman.

I wouldn't use the term with MacKinnon yet.

[djsFlames]

He's in that somewhat obscure tier below Crosby, Malkin, McDingus, Tavares (elites?), in a group with the likes of MacKinnon, Seguin, Kopitar, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, who don't have a lot of separation between them. He's basically smack dab in the middle of there. He'll have to show some impressive consistency and improve upon other facets of his game to flirt with that elite group in the future.

[Phaneufenstein]

In 4 games since Monahan got shut down for the year, Johnny has 0 points.

The sample size is small but perhaps him and Mr. Garbage Man have a symbiotic relationship rather than Monahan just riding Johnny's coattails.

I like Sean Monahan.

[CroFlames]

Monahan scored 22 goals in his rookie year without Johnny.

It's a myth (and frankly its garbage) to think Monahan is a nothing player without Johnny, and many people here think that.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

He's in that somewhat obscure tier below Crosby, Malkin, McDingus, Tavares (elites?), in a group with the likes of MacKinnon, Seguin, Kopitar, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, who don't have a lot of separation between them. He's basically smack dab in the middle of there. He'll have to show some impressive consistency and improve upon other facets of his game to flirt with that elite group in the future.

All those players you listed are better than Monahan. By a pretty decent margin too IMO.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Johnny doesn’t get assists if Monahan doesn’t pot the goal. It goes hand in hand.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by icecube

All those players you listed are better than Monahan. By a pretty decent margin too IMO.

I did not purposely thank this post. Just pointing that out. Tapatalk won’t let me unthank.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Monahan scored 22 goals in his rookie year without Johnny.

It's a myth (and frankly its garbage) to think Monahan is a nothing player without Johnny, and many people here think that.

He's definitely not garbage without him. But there's no denying they feed off of and benefit from each other. Both their numbers probably take a dip without playing with a player of their caliber and skill set.

Some people use that as a knock against Monahan. Such a dumb argument, as if having chemistry with another player is somehow a bad thing

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

He's definitely not garbage without him. But there's no denying they feed off of and benefit from each other. Both their numbers probably take a dip without playing with a player of their caliber and skill set.

Some people use that as a knock against Monahan. Such a dumb argument, as if having chemistry with another player is somehow a bad thing

As if that doesn't apply to every player on every team of every sport of every all time