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corporatejay · 03-26-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

You don't think that Hamilton has the hockey smarts to play RW?

He does not seem to have the instincts to Play defense and would be less of a liability being a weaker defensive palyer on the wing.

Worked with Byfuglien and Burns. Gave them a better appreciation and understanding of the game while not dragging down their teams as they learned how to plat defense.

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.

taco.vidal · 03-26-2018, 01:20 PM

I like this idea. The Flames are thin on that wing. Theres nothing to lose this season since GlueGun wasnt fired at Christmas and the Flames crapped the bed. The upside is great and there are precedents for such a move working.

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

take the worry out of trading low..... as all Flames are right now.

Move Hamilton up to RW. Right now he is a liability on defense and a top player on the PP.

That improves your forward scoring and will likely help the goal tending with better defensive zone coverage.

It will bring the Flames fancy stats back to reality as Hamilton's team leading (top 2 in the league for defensemen) SOG and Shot attempts and low shooting percentage is skewing the corsi stats.

Go with a #1 line of Bennett between Tkachuk and Hamilton.

Hamilton with Gaudreau and Monahan would be good against non-playoff teams but would be too passive and easily beaten in important games against good teams....

Move Backlund to the RW on the Gaudreau / Monahan line and let him cover for the offensive first last and only guys.

Monahammer · 03-26-2018, 01:25 PM

Why do we keep getting stuck on this? Hamilton is one of the only people on the roster currently playing up to his position, along with Tkachuk, Giordano, Monahan, and Gaudreau. Everyone else is underperforming. Why would we want to move one of the only pieces that is working.

It's like if you had a car with 3 good tires and 1 flat tire, so your solution is to take one of the tires off of the back and put it on the front, and take another flat tire (brodie) and put it on the back hoping that you won't notice.

Fan in Exile · 03-26-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

Wut.

This place has gone bananas. Hamilton RW?

It's not completely insane given our weakness on right wing and our strength on right D (particularly given the right is Brodie's strong side). The Sharks tried it with Burns and it didn't go too badly. Then Brodie could move over to the right side. If it doesn't work out, then you trade Brodie for help on RW and move Dougie back to RD.

Far-fetched maybe but not totally irrational. Dougie would instantly have the best wrist-shot among our forwards along with Monahan, and he still has weaknesses defensively that are masked by being paired with Gio. It could work!

ricardodw · 03-26-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

One can be fairly safe in assuming that the changes in this upcoming off-season won't just be limited to a coaching change (I mean, there HAS to be a coaching change, right?).

I welcome that - some turnover is always good, and if Treliving can find a way to upgrade the roster, then great.

However, I am of the opinion that if the exact team comes back with an actual semblance of a professional and experienced coaching staff, that actually knows how to coach and how to motivate players, and can institute a system that actually plays to the strengths of this team (fast transition with lots of focus on activating defencemen, and no Brouwer on the PP!), this team will be much better.

I have written in the past that aside from a few 'average' skaters with high IQ (Monahan and Tkachuk), this team only has one slow skater (Brouwer) and one 'average' to 'slightly below average' in Stone on defence.

Every other player on this team can skate well. Every other defencemen can skate well (and in some cases, skate exceptionally well). It is a travesty that a coach feels he needs to utilize a '5 man breakout' featuring 'd-to-d' passes until everyone is in position to breakout.

Yeah, you are still going to score goals that way. You will still experience some success. However, this is how a SLOW team with aging vets should be breaking out, or at least a team devoid of defencemen that can skate well with the puck to help the transition, or make an accurate pass up the ice quickly.

The Flames wasted two seasons trying to play this system. They neutralized their own speed. Speed is so important in today's modern game, and the quicker you can transition the puck and go on the attack, the less likely that the other team is going to be ready to counter you. This has been my argument all season.

I am 100% ok with absolutely no moves happening this off-season. Is it a perfect team that can compete for the cup the way it is built now? No, but it is a MUCH better team than the standings show it is. It is the system that is killing this team, not so much the personnel.

Of course, I would prefer Treliving make a couple of moves to shore-up the team, but I am deftly afraid that it is going to be a bad trade. I think trading Brodie would be a bad trade - I don't care what people say right now, I think he is very much a core piece that needs to be able to play to his strengths, and his confidence and resulting play will increase.

At least we can now (mostly) agree - Gulutzan has not been much of an upgrade (if at all) over Hartley, even disregarding the vastly improved roster (especially goaltending and defence). Gulutzan - like Hartley - has taken this team as far as he could (which especially under Gulutzan, seemed somewhat backwards).

Quit fricken coaching for corsi. Good corsi is a product of a good hockey team FFS, not something you implement a strategy around! Fire Gulutzan today. This is beyond tiresome. I don't even expect much (if any) changes with regards to on-ice performance or a change in systems. I would just like someone new behind the bench - even temporarily - that wouldn't put Brouwer on the PP any longer, and just let's the players play with less restrictions. Make the ending to this boring and depressing season at least somewhat interesting to a fan like me. I don't want to see Gulutzan get fired to satisfy my inclining for a pound of flesh, or some sacrifice to appease the gods. This is a boring team to watch play on most nights, and they are not successful, and this system is NOT helping them win. Get rid of Gulutzan, scrap the system (heck, no system to round out the year!), and change things up. See how Hamonic does on the left side with Brodie on the right (assuming he returns from injury). See how Smith can actually help with a fast transition game for once! See what a quick passing powerplay with players actually moving out there looks like on this team (2nd unit with the injuries we have, but still!).

Just want some fresh ideas out there to wrap this season up. Is it that much to ask for with a coach that is most likely about to be let-go this off-season?

I think that the average NHL team speed has increase drastically over the last couple of years. Players that were considered adequate skaters a few years ago have been passed by players who are faster and better skaters.

There are not as many Flames players that would be able to play at the pace that Nashville plays that you think. Somehow the good teams have found and developed faster larger angrier players than the Flames and the lower echelon of the NHL have settled for.

Resolute 14 · 03-26-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

Wut.

This place has gone bananas. Hamilton RW?

Consider, then disregard, the source.

Dajazz · 03-26-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

It's not completely insane given our weakness on right wing and our strength on right D (particularly given the right is Brodie's strong side). The Sharks tried it with Burns and it didn't go too badly. Then Brodie could move over to the right side. If it doesn't work out, then you trade Brodie for help on RW and move Dougie back to RD.

Far-fetched maybe but not totally irrational. Dougie would instantly have the best wrist-shot among our forwards along with Monahan, and he still has weaknesses defensively that are masked by being paired with Gio. It could work!

Or we could trade for a proven winger. I don't know if that makes sense.

Scroopy Noopers · 03-26-2018, 01:34 PM

Mike Smith also has a great wrist shot. Maybe we should try him up on the top line...

Fan in Exile · 03-26-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

Or we could trade for a proven winger. I don't know if that makes sense.

An audition for the rest of this lost season and a chance to see Brodie back with Gio, assuming he's the one most want to move for RW help, wouldn't do any harm. Might boost Brodie's stock and give us an additional option.

Unlikely especially with GG at the helm but not without any precedent or reasons it could be tried and could succeed.

ricardodw · 03-26-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why do we keep getting stuck on this? Hamilton is one of the only people on the roster currently playing up to his position, along with Tkachuk, Giordano, Monahan, and Gaudreau. Everyone else is underperforming. Why would we want to move one of the only pieces that is working.

It's like if you had a car with 3 good tires and 1 flat tire, so your solution is to take one of the tires off of the back and put it on the front, and take another flat tire (brodie) and put it on the back hoping that you won't notice.

Since the trade deadline the players you mentioned all have been dominated by the opposition. for the month of March when the other teams pulled up their big girl panties and played like they wanted to make the playoffs the Flames have been awful.

Over the last 11 games, since the trade deadline the Flames have beaten Buffalo, Ottawa and Edmonton... they were competitive in 1 game against a playoff team (Pittsburgh) and have been an easy 2 point for the rest.

Maybe they gave up on their coach, but it seems to me that they have also given up on themselves, their teammates and the fans.

Resolute 14 · 03-26-2018, 01:44 PM

Of course you think Plus/Minus is indicative of anything. Of course.

dino7c · 03-26-2018, 01:47 PM

CP hitting new levels of insanity today

djsFlames · 03-26-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jlh2640

I am in, lets sign Tavares

Same, but I just remembered that the Flames apparently don't like to pay any one more than Gio because of unsaid rule that led to the Gaudreau stalemate into training camp.

Will they pony up more than 6.75 to a UFA?

ricardodw · 03-26-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Of course you think Plus/Minus is indicative of anything. Of course.

Hamiltons 55 shots and 100 or so shot attempts over the last 11 games did not win a lot of games. Won the corsi battle but him getting beaten by the guys he was playing against for 1 goal a game seems to be a difference maker.

ResAlien · 03-26-2018, 01:57 PM

Backlund is pretty responsible defensively, have we considered swapping him with Hamilton? Backlund can solidify the top pairing and Hamilton can ride shotgun on Bennett’s wing. In my scenario we get Bennett back to centre as well. This is gonna be awesome.

corporatejay · 03-26-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Same, but I just remembered that the Flames apparently don't like to pay any one more than Gio because of unsaid rule that led to the Gaudreau stalemate into training camp.

Will they pony up more than 6.75 to a UFA?

Do you have a source for this?

If we have a Gio cap, we should trade Gio. That's insane.

Jason14h · 03-26-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Of course you think Plus/Minus is indicative of anything. Of course.

It's indicative of being on the ice for more goals then you are scoring.

Last I checked this was important for winning hockey games! And GOOD players on GOOD teams tend to be on the ice for more goals for then against.

It isn't the ONLY thing that matters, but the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction regarding +/- it's getting silly.

dino7c · 03-26-2018, 02:09 PM

Gio cap was a good negotiating tactic to use on the younger players IMO

Obviously things change, salaries are going up

WTF does JT want to come to another city with an uncertain future/arena problems?

13M is the only way you are even gonna get his attention

Bingo · 03-26-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hamiltons 55 shots and 100 or so shot attempts over the last 11 games did not win a lot of games. Won the corsi battle but him getting beaten by the guys he was playing against for 1 goal a game seems to be a difference maker.

As a guy that doesn't like the player why would you want to get into stats for a defenseman that leads the league in goals, is 3rd in the league in CF%, 3rd in relative corsi, is 20th in the league in expected goals for over against and 4th in the league in expected plus minus?

He's a virtual run of the table in almost any statistic.

Jason14h · 03-26-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Gio cap was a good negotiating tactic to use on the younger players IMO

Obviously things change, salaries are going up

WTF does JT want to come to another city with an uncertain future/arena problems?

13M is the only way you are even gonna get his attention

You left out isn't a good team on the ice either!