[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 in OT to Bruins

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by colbym72

We are in the built part still

I sure hope so, because if this is it.....underwhelming to say the least.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It kind of annoys the #### out of me that after winning a President's Trophy in 2009, a Cup in 2011, playing in another Cup final in 2013, having a 117 point season in 2014, and what equates to 5 out of 6 100+ point seasons from 2009-14, the Bruins have already cycled down and retooled into a young, fast Cup contender again.

Yet here the Flames are, plodding along just being the "Flames".

All rebuilt and mediocre as ####, just like always.

At least we're not the oilers I guess, but come the #### on already. When do we get a real contender to cheer for, instead of an average to maybe slightly above average team full of holes and riddled with inconsistency?

End rant.

and after they got rid of Chiarelli

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by colbym72

How long did it take the Bruins to build that team though? The same constant is Bergeron and Marchand

And Chara.

And krejci.

And Rask.

However, they have drafted 22 times in the last 3 years; the flames have drafted 19 times.

Bruins have drafted 11 times in the first 2 rounds in the last 3 drafts; the flames, 6 times.

Flames walked away with tkachuk, bruins have McAvoy, debrusk and Carlo to show.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And Chara.

And krejci.

And Rask.

However, they have drafted 22 times in the last 3 years; the flames have drafted 19 times.

Bruins have drafted 11 times in the first 2 rounds in the last 3 drafts; the flames, 6 times.

Flames walked away with tkachuk, bruins have McAvoy, debrusk and Carlo to show.

And Pastrnak.

A top line right shot RW taken 21 spots after Bennett.

Not saying the Flames should have taken him over Bennett at 4th overall, just saying that it's pretty messed up because Pastrnak would go a long ways towards fixing the scoring woes this Flames team has, and that's where Bennett has failed us unfortunate as it may be.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

And Pastrnak.

A top line right shot RW taken 21 spots after Bennett.

Not saying the Flames should have taken him over Bennett at 4th overall, just saying that it's pretty messed up because Pastrnak would go a long ways towards fixing the scoring woes this Flames team has, and that's where Bennett has failed us unfortunate as it may be.

I'd point the finger at two big culprits for the highly mediocre 'rebuilt' Flames:

1) Jay Feaster getting absolute bupkis in return for all of his trading chips
2) The highest pick in franchise history contributing nothing

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

And Pastrnak.

A top line right shot RW taken 21 spots after Bennett.

Not saying the Flames should have taken him over Bennett at 4th overall, just saying that it's pretty messed up because Pastrnak would go a long ways towards fixing the scoring woes this Flames team has, and that's where Bennett has failed us unfortunate as it may be.

Yeah, I agree.

It's about bullets in the chamber. Luck is luck, but look at the Flames 2016 draft:

9 Picks in 7 rounds, 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, 5 picks in the first 4 rounds.

Tkachuk, Parsons, Dube, Fox.

Can't keep shipping out draft picks to get the roster above the water line. Have to bite the bullet at some point, sell for 2 or 3 years, develop quantity of prospects, picks and then make trades to capitalize on value.

Now is not the time, but I would say it might be in arguably as little as 3 years time from now.

The constant through the entire mediocre history of the Flames has been a lack of draft picks.

Not getting more than Phaneuf from the 2003 draft is what killed the roster's chances of being a contender with Iginla and probably whiffing on the Bennett draft will be what stalls out winning with Gaudreau.

Anaheim walked out of the bennett draft with Montour and Ritchie and Kase ("kasha?"). Boston grabbed Pastrnak and their 4th highest scorer this year Heinen. Nashville made out like bandits with Arvidsson and Fiala. Tampa with Point and probably Anthony DeAngelo.

Some of the league's best teams walked out of that draft with key contributors.

It's just a shame.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Boy it’s like the flames have had no darn luck in the draft or elsewhere!!! Gaudreau, tkachuk Brodie (as much as we wish we didn’t get him).

Bruins are on a ridiculous run right now making them look unstoppable. Flames have been incredibly inconsistent this season and despite it we should still make the playoffs when it is all said and done. This Calgary team is s lot closer to contending than the standings suggest.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Holly crap, the Flames fan pity party, 2017-18 season post mortem, why our window is going to close on this core with no success post mortem is just at another level today.

0 patience from many for this young core to actually develop and 0 patience for this management to take the time needed to find and get all the pieces needed to compliment the core. And all of the unreasonableness being justified because of apparent decades of hard ship (which wether true or not, has 0 bearing on what's going on now) cheering for this team.

Painful. So much more painful then anything I've seen on the ice this year.

[Harry Lime]

My apologies that I wasn't that clear earlier in the thread. The worry seemed to be that trading Brodie for Hoffman (as an example) would leave a hole in the LD. All I was saying that a simple solution would be to make the trade along the lines of Brodie/Gilles for Hoffman/Oduya, with the thought that having Hoffman on the first line would more than make up for the drop to Oduya on the second pairing.

At no point point did I intend to imply that we should trade Brodie for Oduya.

There are about six to eight teams that are sellers, and a couple of them have the magic combination of a scoring RW and a serviceable UFA LD.

Brodie has a lot of value to a team that has a hole on RD.

(This may not be the right thread for this talk, but I did interject it here as not to muddy up the trade thread, seeing as how the Brodie talk was already in full swing here)

[Otto-matic]

13-8-1 for 96 points.
14-5-3 for 100pts


Still lots of hockey left and that record is quite do-able. Hopefully they can rattle off a few wins at home to get some confidence in them. You could tell the building had a ton of nervous energy once it started getting near the end of the third. Haven't felt the dome that anxious since game 4 against the Ducks.

[btimbit]

Just gonna focus on the positive.

Klimchuk impressed me in his debut. For a guy that's not known for any kind of grit or hard nosed play his battles with the likes of Chara impressed me. Also worries me a tad since hes made of glass, but still, admirable. He's already impressed me more than any other callup not named Jankowski. Only question is can he keep it up or was it just his first game high?

David Rittich. Enough said. God damn I'm not even used to having a reliable starter again yet, having a reliable backup is something I haven't seen on this team since I started watching hockey again 5 years ago.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Holly crap, the Flames fan pity party, 2017-18 season post mortem, why our window is going to close on this core with no success post mortem is just at another level today.

0 patience from many for this young core to actually develop and 0 patience for this management to take the time needed to find and get all the pieces needed to compliment the core. And all of the unreasonableness being justified because of apparent decades of hard ship (which wether true or not, has 0 bearing on what's going on now) cheering for this team.

Painful. So much more painful then anything I've seen on the ice this year.

I have been patient for longer than can remember, thank you very much.

1. I didn't say the season was over
2. I didn't say the window was going to close without any success

I said this team is inconsistent and mediocre and I'm frustrated by it, and that point was driven home to me because of what the Bruins have done.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, but Kessel was their pick.

They flipped him for the other two and were able to draft Seguin and Dougie early in the draft while simultaneously being a cup contender and winner.

that's pretty unbelievable then... so trading Kessel got them seguin and hamilton...

under Chia's watch?! that doesn't seem possible?

[ForeverFlameFan]

It was tough not getting the extra point, but these last few OT/SO losses are going to bite us in the butt in the future. If we miss the playoffs, it's because we've missed out on so many opportunities of gaining that extra point.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have been patient for longer than can remember, thank you very much.

1. I didn't say the season was over
2. I didn't say the window was going to close without any success

I said this team is inconsistent and mediocre and I'm frustrated by it, and that point was driven home to me because of what the Bruins have done.

Yah you're a trooper. Hate to break it too you, but this young core, and this management team isn't responsible or able to right all the wrongs you suffered for the past decades by previous players and management groups.

This team was so far away from being a contender 4 years ago and propelled its self to a spot where playoffs are a possibility and that you feel like anything less than being a consistent contender is a failure so much faster than would have ever been expected then.

The fact that so many have lost the plot and the big picture is actually such a compliment to this group, and the fact that the completely mediocre Bruins for the past 4 seasons have been able to pull this off this year should actually give you hope for what the future could bring, not send you into tail spins powered by the gohsts of Flames teams past.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It kind of annoys the #### out of me that after winning a President's Trophy in 2009, a Cup in 2011, playing in another Cup final in 2013, having a 117 point season in 2014, and what equates to 5 out of 6 100+ point seasons from 2009-14, the Bruins have already cycled down and retooled into a young, fast Cup contender again.

Yet here the Flames are, plodding along just being the "Flames".

All rebuilt and mediocre as ####, just like always.

At least we're not the oilers I guess, but come the #### on already. When do we get a real contender to cheer for, instead of an average to maybe slightly above average team full of holes and riddled with inconsistency?

End rant.

Yeah. Waited a very, very long time to see some real, actual success with this team - to confidently feel like we one of the top handful of teams that has a real shot. To become the next Blackhawks, Capitals, etc. I was given the impression that the Flames were tearing it down in 2013 to build the team properly, the right way, and that the patience would pay dividends.

And that patience looked to be paying off nicely, and even giving us glimpses earlier than expect in that 14/15 season.

The last couple years though it's like we're running on a treadmill rather than continuing to climb the stairwell to greater things.

Dumping Bob and bringing in a relatively inexperienced coaching staff was a gamble, but given nearly two seasons where it feels like we're on a plateau of just putting along hovering around the bubble, working towards, well I don't know what, exactly? It's pretty clear to me that some key ingredient is missing, because these kids are still growing, or should be, yet the on ice product as a whole isn't progressing. I don't think this coaching staff has that veteran experience/savvy to know how to push these guys to the next level.

And in the process we're chopping down years of what could be a window on an experiment that's yielded nothing spectacular or surprising in a good way.

This fan purgatory particularly sucks when the team only plays to its potential away from its own fans, on top of it. And nobody on the team appears to be getting up in arms about it. This home ice play is not okay for a team with this roster!

Just want to see another step forward, don't care how that happens. Surely management drew up a plan and the end result didn't look like being a sub .500 home team getting outclassed every odd night in their own building, even with the really good goaltending they've been receiving. There are teams that would kill to get the play we're getting between the pipes. And we're just plain not taking advantage of that gift. This is exactly what we said we needed after last season, and we've got it, yet are somehow no better for it.

/Anyway, that sums up my thought on things up till now. So let's hope there are more fun and exciting things to write home about the rest of the way. A streak, a run, something good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It was tough not getting the extra point, but these last few OT/SO losses are going to bite us in the butt in the future. If we miss the playoffs, it's because we've missed out on so many opportunities of gaining that extra point.

Aren't they like 7-4 in OT

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Yah you're a trooper. Hate to break it too you, but this young core, and this management team isn't responsible or able to right all the wrongs you suffered for the past decades by previous players and management groups.

This team was so far away from being a contender 4 years ago and propelled its self to a spot where playoffs are a possibility and that you feel like anything less than being a consistent contender is a failure so much faster than would have ever been expected then.

The fact that so many have lost the plot and the big picture is actually such a compliment to this group, and the fact that the completely mediocre Bruins for the past 4 seasons have been able to pull this off this year should actually give you hope for what the future could bring, not send you into tail spins powered by the gohsts of Flames teams past.

I havent lost the plot. If I'm so impatient in expecting this team to be more than another inconsistent wannabe then somebody better tell the GM because apparently he expected more as well when he traded our first three picks in this years draft.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I'd point the finger at two big culprits for the highly mediocre 'rebuilt' Flames:

1) Jay Feaster getting absolute bupkis in return for all of his trading chips
2) The highest pick in franchise history contributing nothing

Not going to make this about Feaster, but if Flames don't take a flyer on Gaudreau in the 4th round this rebuild would be not pretty.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

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Bruins have drafted 11 times in the first 2 rounds in the last 3 drafts; the flames, 6 times.

I guess you're not counting the upcoming draft either.