2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Toonage]

Friedman segment from this morning replaying now on 960

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I could not disagree more. Brodie continuously costs us hockey games with his blunders, his hockey IQ is terrible. This team is never going deep with TJ Brodie.

teams have gone deep with far worse d-men

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Some of these Brodie comments are harder to read than the Bennett stuff.

He's a second pairing guy and he's being paid like a second pairing guy. He's never going to win a Norris. He's one of the best skaters on the team. He's great at moving the puck out of his own end.

Sure he's not perfect, he never was. People expect way too much out of him.

Gotta give to get in this business.
We dont have picks to give, so we have to give VALUABLE assets in order to make ourselves better today so we can push DEEP into the playoffs. Brodie fits that bill, for all the reasons you've outlined above. He's not having a very strong season, and I hope that doesn't hurt his trade value. However he's 1 of a very few pieces we can use to make ourselves better, and I disagree that trading him will ruin our defense for all the reasons people have thrown out at him in this thread.

Decent player, top 4 for sure on a GOOD contract with term. He's all we got if we hope to try and make ourselves better via trade so we can hopefully go deep.

We still don't have a legitimate scoring RW and our PP has only been good for 1 game, let's not toss on the rose colored glasses and forget that.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Even after lowering my expectations to "no catastrophic brainfarts costing the team at least one goal" he fails to clear to that lofty bar more often than not.

That's the grating part though... it's *not* more often than not. Not even close.

Yet comments like this are vomited out in post game threads and others, over and over like it's some kind of agenda from a few of you.

Stuff like this from the Boston post game thread:

Brodie is one of the softest players to every play for this team, the man is a mess in his own end and never takes the body. Every game it’s the same thing with him. Turnover machine

The hyperbole is gross. The constant beating of this drum is so over exaggerated and unnecessary and it's a big contingent of the recent discussion that makes discourse here unbearable and drives good posters away.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

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The hyperbole is gross. The constant beating of this drum is so over exaggerated and unnecessary and it's a big contingent of the recent discussion that makes discussion here unbearable and drives good posters away.

Is there a Dman on the flames right now that has had more terrible giveaways, been burned more times by opposing players and has been pretty close to the sole reason (at a glance) the opposing team scored XYZ goal than Brodie?
Being honest here, I don't see anyone struggling as much as TJ unfortunately. With that in mind I don't think he's terrible, I just feel with Gio, Hamilton, Hamonic and even Stone we're going to be okay if we use TJ as a trade chip.

With that being said, if they figure we've got enough bodies to get us at least into the playoffs and don't want to disturb the defense like some posters suggest (I dont want to give up the farm for a rental either) then we can always revisit come the draft. We just need to figure out what the management want for the team, and hope they make the right decision. I don't feel we can afford to miss the playoffs/lose in the 1st round again and then go into the draft with 0 picks until the 4th round. That would be worse case scenario.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Being honest here, I don't see anyone struggling as much as TJ unfortunately.

Then you're not watching, because for the last six weeks+ he (and Hamonic) have been extremely solid.

No one's denying he's prone to making mistakes at times.

I'm talking about the gross over exaggerating of them around here, and the small group of posters who beat that drum on a daily basis.

[SeanCharles]

The only dmen that are even remotely likely to be traded within the next calander year are Stone and Bartkowski.

Nobody wants Bartkowski and he's a UFA so it's essentially just Stone.

- Hamilton is the foundation of our defence moving forward
- Gio isn't going anywhere
- Hamonic was just acquired and wants to stay in western Canada
- Hamonic was acquired to play with Brodie so until Valimaki or Kulak can play top 4 minutes you can't move Brodie

Andersson can replace Stone because Kulak is playing great and if an injury occurs in the top 4 I think Kulak is beginning to show he can fill in.

The one hitch in all this is if you could get a guy like Marner for Brodie I think you need to seriously consider it.

I really like our defence and goaltending depth in the NHL and in the system but our forward depth, especially RHed ones, leaves much to be desired.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Is there a Dman on the flames right now that has had more terrible giveaways, been burned more times by opposing players and has been pretty close to the sole reason the opposing team scored XYZ goal than Brodie?

Being honest here, I don't see anyone struggling as much as TJ unfortunately. With that in mind I dont think he's terrible, I just feel with Gio, Hamilton, Hamonic and even Stone we're going to be okay if we use TJ as a trade chip.

Stone and Kulak struggle almost every time they get caught out against top players. Yeah they look fine playing less minutes against lesser competition like most bottom pairings.

Only trade TJ if its a slam dunk like Hall-Larsson

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Then you're not watching, because for the last six weeks+ he (and Hamonic) have been extremely solid.

No one's denying he's prone to making mistakes at times.

I'm talking about the gross over exaggerating of them around here, and the small group of posters who beat that drum on a daily basis.

I think we have vastly different opinions on what the words "extremely solid" mean. I've watched every game and would disagree a million times over so we'll leave it at that.

Sadly these mistakes are often extremely costly, that's the unfortunate thing.

Fair enough to the 3rd point, cant disagree.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Stone and Kulak struggle almost every time they get caught out against top players. Yeah they look fine playing less minutes against lesser competition like most bottom pairings.

Only trade TJ if its a slam dunk like Hall-Larsson

Stone is one of those players that plays better the more he gets to play. Actually, most players are like that I think, up to a certain point. But Stone is sinnificantly better when he gets 20ish minutes in my opinion. His best games this year were the ones where he filled in for Hamonic and got more ice time.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think we have vastly different opinions on what the words "extremely solid" mean.

We sure do, because watching since after Christmas, if you see him "struggling", I don't know what you're watching.

You can watch any d-man that plays 20+ mins a night and point out particular instances.

On the whole, Brodie has been nothing but effective in the last quarter of the season on the whole.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Is there a Dman on the flames right now that has had more terrible giveaways, been burned more times by opposing players and has been pretty close to the sole reason (at a glance) the opposing team scored XYZ goal than Brodie?
Being honest here, I don't see anyone struggling as much as TJ unfortunately. With that in mind I don't think he's terrible, I just feel with Gio, Hamilton, Hamonic and even Stone we're going to be okay if we use TJ as a trade chip.

With that being said, if they figure we've got enough bodies to get us at least into the playoffs and don't want to disturb the defense like some posters suggest (I dont want to give up the farm for a rental either) then we can always revisit come the draft. We just need to figure out what the management want for the team, and hope they make the right decision. I don't feel we can afford to miss the playoffs/lose in the 1st round again and then go into the draft with 0 picks until the 4th round. That would be worse case scenario.

No...and its not even close.

He is a middle of the road Dman because he skates well, at times can actually complete a pass, and can log big minutes. Offensively he is OK too, but that is offset a lot with his brain cramps and giveaways. He cannot get a puck through from the blueline to save his life however.

At times he can look decent, at other times he can look like he has never played the game before.

Not a core piece at all and someone that can be looked at to be improved upon if the right deal comes along.

[Karl]

I'm just happy that GG is hardly playing the tank commander in very many games at all anymore.

And to add on to that, there's no way that said player should see any more NHL time under any circumstance, so hopefully GG is completely done with him for good.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Gotta give to get in this business.
We dont have picks to give, so we have to give VALUABLE assets in order to make ourselves better today so we can push DEEP into the playoffs. Brodie fits that bill, for all the reasons you've outlined above. He's not having a very strong season, and I hope that doesn't hurt his trade value. However he's 1 of a very few pieces we can use to make ourselves better, and I disagree that trading him will ruin our defense for all the reasons people have thrown out at him in this thread.

Decent player, top 4 for sure on a GOOD contract with term. He's all we got if we hope to try and make ourselves better via trade so we can hopefully go deep.

We still don't have a legitimate scoring RW and our PP has only been good for 1 game, let's not toss on the rose colored glasses and forget that.

I'm not arguing against trading him, I'm open to the idea. In fact, your post supports what I'm saying. He's a good player.

[GoJetsGo]

With the defensive depth in our system I'd consider moving anyone if the price is right and it makes the team better.

While Bordie does seem like a good candidate considering his potential value and our ability to (hopefully) replace that role from within...

In no way (short of an amazing over-pay) does that makes sense right now while we're battling for the playoffs. It would shoot a big hole in our defense and risks upsetting the balance of several pairings.

imo if you're looking at moving Brodie and hopefully promoting a younger player, that's a move you look at in the off season. Not down the stretch approaching the playoffs. That's a no-brainer.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

With the defensive depth in our system I'd consider moving anyone if the price is right and it makes the team better.

While Bordie does seem like a good candidate considering his potential value and our ability to (hopefully) replace that role from within...

In no way (short of an amazing over-pay) does that makes sense right now while we're battling for the playoffs. It would shoot a big hole in our defense and risks upsetting the balance of several pairings.

imo if you're looking at moving Brodie and hopefully promoting a younger player, that's a move you look at in the off season. Not down the stretch approaching the playoffs. That's a no-brainer.

So for Brodie:

Would you trade him for a return similar to what Hamonic demanded? maybe even more? (1st, 2 x 2nds)
Would you trade him for an impact scoring RW/Winger (20-30g) and maybe a pick 2nd/3rd? (top 6 winger)

May not even be possible, but if those were 2 potential offers given to you as the GM.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So for Brodie:

Would you trade him for a return similar to what Hamonic demanded? maybe even more? (1st, 2 x 2nds)
Would you trade him for an impact scoring RW/Winger (20-30g) and maybe a pick 2nd/3rd? (top 6 winger)

May not even be possible, but if those were 2 potential offers given to you as the GM.

I wouldn't trade him period.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I wouldn't trade him period.

Thanks GoJetsGo, I'll be sure to take that into consideration.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So for Brodie:

Would you trade him for a return similar to what Hamonic demanded? maybe even more? (1st, 2 x 2nds)

Right now, as we're fighting for the playoffs, would I significantly weaken our defense and team for draft picks? No, absolutely not, and I think that would be foolish as I've already stated. The idea of upgrading the blueline by paying that price to get Hamonic only to weaken it at the most important part of the season to get back to par is asinine.

The team has really started to play well since after Christmas, and taking every chance we can to run in the playoffs over the next few years with young players on the contracts they're on is a big consideration at this point.

Originally Posted by Royle9

Would you trade him for an impact scoring RW/Winger (20-30g) and maybe a pick 2nd/3rd? (top 6 winger)

Depending on the player, I'd think about moving a lot of players for an impact 20-30 goal RW. Name me a few that you think are even remote possibilites though. That is a very unlikely scenario.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I wouldn't trade him period.

TJ, is that you...?!?