Fire Dave Cameron

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ideally they would forget everything Cameron has taught them.

That's pretty hard to do when you have the very same Cameron reinforcing it every day at practice. Even if today's practice is short, tomorrow will be same old, same old.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Beninho

That’s a fair point but it still doesn’t excuse meltdowns from happening, and our meltdowns are elite. This team crumbles in big games when the other team captures momentum. Hartleys teams, as flawed as they were, did not crumble like this team does.

OK ...

How does Gulutzan fix that?

"Hey guys, you know how we seem to be making that big mistake that costs us games late? Lets stop doing that!"

[team collectively lights up smiling with the new direction]

Seriously ... that's a myriad of things that have little do with coaching.

- luck
- mental toughness
- law of averages

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bingo

OK ...

How does Gulutzan fix that?

"Hey guys, you know how we seem to be making that big mistake that costs us games late? Lets stop doing that!"

[team collectively lights up smiling with the new direction]

Seriously ... that's a myriad of things that have little do with coaching.

- luck
- mental toughness
- law of averages

I think our difference in opinion comes down to me believing coaching hasna big part to play in creating an environment that helps create mental toughness and a system that can be used for a team to fall back on when momentum is swinging in the other direction. Do I think the players are at fault? Yes I do, but I can’t remember a Flames team that has shot themeselves in the foot like this team under GG. Blame the system, blame the coaching, blame the players, something isn’t right.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Troy Brouwer? The on pace for 5 Goals Troy Brouwer?

Like what in the actual F are they thinking?

They want to see if adding a player that cannot handle the puck when under pressure will address their issue of players not handling the puck on the PP when under pressure.

In all honesty, at this point, it doesn't matter what they do until the coaches change the structure, or the players finally have a willingness to battle for the puck down low on the PPs. Because ideally, the team needs a right handed shot on the PP that can fire off one-timers. So Brouwer, if the players can actually maintain possession in the zone, is not a bad thing.

Versteeg cannot come back soon enough. It's a problem in itself that his absence alone makes both units completely inept. The lack of right handed scoring power on this roster is prevalent.

[Strange Brew]

If the PP doesn't improve soon, the team is in trouble. It is costing them games, to me that's undeniable. If this 5 game losing streak becomes a 10 game losing streak, I fear the season will be lost.

I'm not saying firing Cameron or GG is the answer, but I hope the team's braintrust is satisfied with the current plan to address. Because if this team misses, there will be changes.

And it will have been a huge waste of some + seasons for several players.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Why do they continue to stick with the 1-3-1???

It's not working without Versteeg - maybe go back to the traditional 3-2?

Last I checked the Flames have 3 very capable, mobile D-men, and 1 with a bomb of a shot.

.....nah, let's put Brouwer out there instead, yeah, that'll do the trick.

This entire staff better be done at the end of the season, or Treliving should be fired as well.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Why do they continue to stick with the 1-3-1???

It's not working without Versteeg - maybe go back to the traditional 3-2?

Last I checked the Flames have 3 very capable, mobile D-men, and 1 with a bomb of a shot.

.....nah, let's put Brouwer out there instead, yeah, that'll do the trick.

This entire staff better be done at the end of the season, or Treliving should be fired as well.

I'd like to see some 3-2 powerplays with Stone on it. On paper it's been reported that our D core is actually pretty good.. lol.

[Ashasx]

It just bewilders me that we spend a larger percentage of the cap on defencemen than any other team, and we don't even use two on the 1st unit powerplay.

Completely asinine.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It just bewilders me that we spend a larger percentage of the cap on defencemen than any other team, and we don't even use two on the 1st unit powerplay.

Completely asinine.

It seems what Treliving intended from this defense, and what Gulutzan utilizes them for are different. Because with this roster, the defense should be much more aggressive in offensively play.

At this point if Treliving is committed to Gulutzan past this season (which I'm skeptical on), one of the defenders needs to be traded for a top tier right winger. Although that could still be done despite whomever the coach is.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I think our difference in opinion comes down to me believing coaching hasna big part to play in creating an environment that helps create mental toughness and a system that can be used for a team to fall back on when momentum is swinging in the other direction. Do I think the players are at fault? Yes I do, but I can’t remember a Flames team that has shot themeselves in the foot like this team under GG. Blame the system, blame the coaching, blame the players, something isn’t right.

This team is its worst own enemy. If the Flames hurt themselves %50 less, then I think we are having completely different conversations and they are among tops in the league.

But the fact that this team appears to do more harm to themselves by making really poor plays at critical times that just shouldn't happen at this level what so ever, says that it is more to do with coaching. The players have to be accountable for their own physical and mental preparedness on a daily basis, yes.
But the coaches are responsible for highlighting areas that need improving from player to player, certain systems that work and don't work against teams, things to watch for within the game that players from different shifts are encountering (game within the game) and situational awareness.

In the second period during a break in play, Gerard Gallant is seen talking to Associate Coach Mike Kelly and you watch Gallant pointing all over the ice to Kelly, not yelling but making some thing clear that he is noticing and Kelly gives the nod and starts talking to some players.

Now im sure GG does this with his associates and players as well, but to what extent? Is this communication clear and concise? Does he defer to Cameron after pointing something out? Is he actually aware situationally?
I'm starting to think this may be his area that is really poor and the players don't have an answer to counter the lack of guidance and communication from the coaches.

Kind of brings me back to my points in another thread of the coaches failing Bennett in his development at center and becoming impatient because they're on the hot seat, rather than Bennett failing at center on his own, as other posters suggest.

[SeanCharles]

PP1:
Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Hamilton-Gio

PP2:
Bennett-Backlund-Ferland
Brodie-Jankowski

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Why do they continue to stick with the 1-3-1???

It's not working without Versteeg - maybe go back to the traditional 3-2?

Last I checked the Flames have 3 very capable, mobile D-men, and 1 with a bomb of a shot.

.....nah, let's put Brouwer out there instead, yeah, that'll do the trick.

This entire staff better be done at the end of the season, or Treliving should be fired as well.

They're sticking with the 1-3-1 because it resulted in a top 10 powerplay last season. They're also likely sticking to the 1-3-1 because it has revolutionized the powerplay in hockey. If you look at past percentages, only 4-5 elite teams were in the 20% mark on the PP. But check now and nearly half the NHL is in the 20% mark.

For whatever reason our team is struggling mightily right now and it's too predictable. Craig Button did mention something that I've also noticed as well, they're not moving the puck quickly enough and it's giving the opposition time to set up. They pass it around and around and around and it leads to seconds ticking away.

Moving the puck quicker is the key to opening up more threats. Everyone including the coaching staff keeps mentioning that they need to simplify it and shoot it more. Personally, I think that's stupid, every time a player receives the puck, they hold onto it to survey the shooting lanes to see if they can get a shot off. Rather than do that, they need to one touch pass more often and fire more one timers to keep the penalty killers moving and guessing more often. That movement will open up more threats and more shooting lanes.

[Robbob]

It isn't like throwing all your skill players on one PP has worked so why not change somethings. By now I am all for putting Brouwer back in front of the net if that is the plan. He was very effective last year in that roll. He did a lot of good work that didn't show up on stat sheet. Why not.

[bizaro86]

Last year, goalie coach Jordan Sigalet was the official CP coaching staff whipping boy. That seemed fair at the time, since our goaltending was pretty consistently bad.

Now our goaltending has been great (vs Bolts notwithstanding) and you never hear about him, except in the one article about how he insisted they get Rittich after watching some tape (which was a good pick up based on his play so far, Rittich would definitely have positive trade value).

This year's whipping boy has been Dave Cameron, because our powerplay has been terrible. With the potential change to playing the best players on the #1 PP unit, is there a chance the PP turns around for the stretch and we stop hearing about Dave Cameron? Or, like Sigalet, will it require a change in player personnel to turn his reputation around? Or, is he just terrible, and needs to be replaced?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Beninho

That’s a fair point but it still doesn’t excuse meltdowns from happening, and our meltdowns are elite. This team crumbles in big games when the other team captures momentum. Hartleys teams, as flawed as they were, did not crumble like this team does.

Gonna just reiterate this point here, When this team faces adversity in game under GG they have been crumbling. They’ve been able to come back from some bad losin streaks over the past 2 seasons but they have no idea how to get momentum back when I game starts to go sideways. I think that’s down to coaching because this team never showed such lack of composure before GG and co got here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Gonna just reiterate this point here, When this team faces adversity in game under GG they have been crumbling. They’ve been able to come back from some bad losin streaks over the past 2 seasons but they have no idea how to get momentum back when I game starts to go sideways. I think that’s down to coaching because this team never showed such lack of composure before GG and co got here.

The team was quite bad before he got here. A whole lot of stock is being put on that one good season under Hartley. Team did nothing before and after that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Gonna just reiterate this point here, When this team faces adversity in game under GG they have been crumbling. They’ve been able to come back from some bad losin streaks over the past 2 seasons but they have no idea how to get momentum back when I game starts to go sideways. I think that’s down to coaching because this team never showed such lack of composure before GG and co got here.

Partially true.

This team has had some meltdowns under GG but they were also 53-0-2 when leading after two periods up until the last two games.

That stat there speaks to at least some level of composure.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Partially true.

This team has had some meltdowns under GG but they were also 53-0-2 when leading after two periods up until the last two games.

That stat there speaks to at least some level of composure.

I just look back at being 0-7 vs the Oilers, swept in the playoffs, big losing streaks in both seasons. If you take out this 7 game winning streak and last years 10 game winning streak you have a team that is playing consistently sub par hockey and they have shown to crumble when the going gets tough. Would anyone here actually place money on this team beating the Ducks in the playoffs? We added Hamonic and there’s still no way I would put any money on this team beating anyone in the playoffs.

[joejoe3]

Just bringing this back to the front page in anticipation for PGT.

[theinfinitejar]

This ####ing buffoon has got to get caned.

Meant to type canned, but he should probably be caned too.