2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[debil]

there is no untouchable player in this team.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I’ve sadly been subjected to a few Canucks games from living on the coast and I’ve noticed him being decent in the corners and has a bomb of a shot. He played well in Minny, ok in Detroit and hasn’t meshed well in Van because well.. it’s Vancouver..

But find him open in the slot or circles and he can burry some goals.

You've noticed him a few times in a couple games.

Same could be said of a lot of players.

Detroit fans wanted nothing to do with him after his time there, for good reason.

Hard pass on TV.

[Love]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

GMGS has already said he ain't trading JT
And he ain't signing here (IMO)
Not even remotely possible.

Too bad

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by debil

there is no untouchable player in this team.

Well if you say so

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by debil

there is no untouchable player in this team.

Sure, but almost any player I’d consider trading any of those guys for would be considered ‘untouchable’ by that players own team, making them effectively untouchable. There isn’t really a feasible deal out there that Id deem acceptable.. would I trade Tkachuk for Matthews? Of course, but that obviously is never going to be an option. Those are guys I would only trade packaged along with a pick/prospect to acquire a better player, highly unlikely.

Although Dion never did really regain the game he had early on here, I still loathe that kind of trade where you ship out the best player in the deal by far. No thank you. Never again

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Definitely 3 tiers of players on this team in terms of trading

Untouchable:
Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk

Not available (but at the right price?):
Giordano
Ferland
Jankowski
Backlund
Hamilton
Smith
Rittich
Frolik
Versteeg
Hamonic(?)

Available:
Bennett
Brodie
Stone
(Please take)
Lazar
Stajan
Brouwer

Bennet is available but Versteeg in not?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I wonder why? On paper he seems like a good fit. He's a RH shot that could really help the pp as his 14 power play points would suggest. 37 points in 52 games is decent, it would actually be good for 3rd on the Flames. Probably cheap to acquire as well. Checks a lot of boxes in what they should be looking at as far as rentals go.

Because he has ZERO heart and wilts as soon as the competition gets tougher. He was acquired by the Panthers last year to make a playoff push, and I've never seen a softer player. He didn't make the Panthers any better, even though he has this ability to pick up points in a scavenger sort of way. He doesn't initiate plays, but he has this knack for opportunistic scoring if there's a chance.

He drove me nuts watching him last year. Not the kind of player you want for a playoff push, and especially not the guy you want to count on in the playoffs.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You've noticed him a few times in a couple games.

Same could be said of a lot of players.

Detroit fans wanted nothing to do with him after his time there, for good reason.

Hard pass on TV.

Dunno where you get that impression. I remember when the Vanek signing was announced, and all the Detroit fans on Reddit were expressing that it was a great deal and they'd love him back. Florida... not so much.

Vanek will never be a Flame under this regime but I'd welcome him here with open arms.... he's a fantastic player.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You've noticed him a few times in a couple games.

Same could be said of a lot of players.

Detroit fans wanted nothing to do with him after his time there, for good reason.

Hard pass on TV.

Im not sure what your issue is buds. You are super antagonistic with your posts and a constant debbie downer. If you dont think something is.. well... then no way possible could it be.. simple as that.

Should never have unblocked you. Well, back on the list you go.

Salty Jets fans... amiright?!

[flameester]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'd put Hamilton in the untouchable group. I think the back end needs to be built around him.

I just don’t understand that this thinking.

Hamilton untouchable and Gio is not?

Pk Gio leads the way——Hamilton only when Hamonic or Stone are unavailable.

If Hamilton played and excelled in every situation then us by all means untouchable then.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Definitely 3 tiers of players on this team in terms of trading

Untouchable:
Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk

Not available (but at the right price?):
Giordano
Ferland
Jankowski
Backlund
Hamilton
Smith
Rittich
Frolik
Versteeg
Hamonic(?)

Available:
Bennett
Brodie
Stone
(Please take)
Lazar
Stajan
Brouwer

lol @ Brodie and Bennett being available.

[Toonage]

Not sure where to ask this, so I'll drop it here as its sort of related.

is there a website or Twitter account that provides a list of which NHL scouts are or were in attendance for games on any given night?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Definitely 3 tiers of players on this team in terms of trading

Untouchable:
Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk

Not available (but at the right price?):
Giordano
Ferland
Jankowski
Backlund
Hamilton
Smith
Rittich
Frolik
Versteeg
Hamonic(?)

Available:
Bennett
Brodie
Stone
(Please take)
Lazar
Stajan
Brouwer

Is Stone the new whipping boy? Have I missed something? ... Or are you saying please take about the players below that? ... Also, Bennett and Brodie are available? Yet, Versteeg, Frolik, Hamonic and Jankowski are not? I'm not saying those guys should be but I would 100% trade Versteeg before I would trade Brodie or Bennett.

[IgiTang]

Yeah, I don’t know where Mattman is coming from on that one. Stone is a great 3rd pairing RD that can play 2nd pair minutes in a crunch and is arguably our best shot blocker on the team.

[Monahammer]

What does everyone think Brodie + Bennett together can get us?

Mark Stone?

Dylan Strome/Christian Dvorak+Niklas Hjalmarsson+Pick?

OEL?

I'm honestly not sure where the value of both lies.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Yeah, I don’t know where Mattman is coming from on that one. Stone is a great 3rd pairing RD that can play 2nd pair minutes in a crunch and is arguably our best shot blocker on the team.

Stone makes $3.5M for another 2 seasons after this one to play 3rd pairing minutes on our team and brings zero offense. The difference between him and Rasmus (or any other veteran D you can likely get for $1M per year) is minimal so it'd do wonders for our team if we could lose his contract and put that money towards a scoring winger.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Stone makes $3.5M for another 2 seasons after this one to play 3rd pairing minutes on our team and brings zero offense. The difference between him and Rasmus (or any other veteran D you can likely get for $1M per year) is minimal so it'd do wonders for our team if we could lose his contract and put that money towards a scoring winger.

So many more egregious contracts on the team. Stone is more of an insurance piece anyways; Hamonic has had some injury history and we've been lucky with Dougie. Rasmus is good but we would be even less likely to make the playoffs with him playing top 4 minutes for a long stretch.

Stajan + Brouwer are where the money tightness up front comes from and where our problems up front start and end. Once they are gone things will be looking pretty good.

[FlamesAddiction]

I suppose it really does depend on where this team sits by deadline day. If we are not within reason of a playoff position, then our expendable assets increase. If we are going to miss, I wouldn't mind seeing some minor retooling and injecting some prospects to close out the season.

Given that we traded so many picks lately, I would rather not start trading from the farm. We have a decent prospect base, but it does't take long to from cupboards full to cupboards bare when you trade futures. I feel management needs to stay grounded and keep in mind that most prospects don't pan out in the long run. While it looks like he have a good base, only a few are likely to become full time NHL players, and maybe only one or two will become impact players if you keep in mind the odds.

[Heavy Jack]

Bennett + Brodie to me is very close to being enough to net you a guy like Mark Stone.

Depends on the prospect we would have to add and or if we would be willing to take a bad contract off their hands like Phaneuf (at a retained amount around 15%)

Something like

Brodie
Bennett
Stajan (to make the cap work)
Gillies

for

Stone
Phaneuf (15% retained)
2nd round pick

To me the value is damn near even on this and it gets the Flames that top RW to help push that top line over the top and spread scoring through out the top 6.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland

That top 6 is lethal no doubt.

Phaneuf at 5.95 per year is a little easier to stomach too than 7 mill per ~ and he is a lefty.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Bennett + Brodie to me is very close to being enough to net you a guy like Mark Stone.

Depends on the prospect we would have to add and or if we would be willing to take a bad contract off their hands like Phaneuf (at a retained amount around 15%)

Something like

Brodie
Bennett
Stajan (to make the cap work)
Gillies

for

Stone
Phaneuf (15% retained)
2nd round pick

To me the value is damn near even on this and it gets the Flames that top RW to help push that top line over the top and spread scoring through out the top 6.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland

That top 6 is lethal no doubt.

Phaneuf at 5.95 per year is a little easier to stomach too than 7 mill per ~ and he is a lefty.

I really think after the Duchene debacle that the Sens will be doing everything they can to recoup some picks. Likely involves the 2019 first going their way