What is T.J. Brodie's value?

[Erick Estrada]

I think he gets moved at the draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think he gets moved at the draft.

I think the Flames definitely move a Dman at the draft and Brodie seems to be the one fans want to see gone. The only reason I speculate it could be someone on the right side is the Flames having 3 solid RHD at the NHL level and the prospect closest to knocking on the door is Andersson another right shot.

I do think Valimaki pushes for a spot next year as well but I do not think he or Kulak can play the left side top 4 spot

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No, you don't move Brodie at the deadline unless you're getting immediate, next game scoring help from it.

If his deal was set to expire maybe you consider that, but right now moving brodie off the roster and replacing him with Rasmass and futures doesn't help this team make the playoffs or do anything if they get there.

Agreed. If you move him at the deadline, it's for a guy like Tyler Johnson.

If you move him at the draft, it could be to recoup picks.

I don't see it happening at the deadline. It presents an issue for the Flames on the left side.

I do wonder if TJ would prefer to eventually be back east for personal reasons.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't see the Flames moving a Dman at all.

They can't move Brodie unless they truly believe one of Kulak, Kylington or Valimaki are ready to play a top 4 NHL role. The lefty/righty thing is real folks.

As for the righties,

Hamilton is the youngest of our Dcore, and unless he asks for a trade, I just can't see him being dealt.

They just acquired Hamonic, they won't be dealing him. At least it seems ridiculously unlikely.

They just re-signed Stone, although this to me is the most likely of all the Flames D to get moved if they do move one. But in that case it seems likely it will be done in order to recoup picks and clear a spot for Andersson.

Bottom line, with the cap going up they don't need to move one of their top 5 for cap space, so unless they are unable to add scoring some other way I find it really unlikely that they trade a Dman within a year of finally building it up to what it is now.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

If Treliving could get a 1st for Brodie, he’d be on the way out. Clears up cap room to address our scoring need, improves second pairing with Stone, opens up a spot for Anderson.

You know this how? Has Treliving mentioned it somewhere or are you just stating your own opinion?

[DJones]

Start at Hamonics value and go up

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

You know this how? Has Treliving mentioned it somewhere or are you just stating your own opinion?

Some people state their opinion like it's fact, they just can't help it.

[flameester]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Brodie is an an absolutely terrible and has been for two years now. It’s not 2014 when we thought we had one hell of a future star. Not sure what happened, but his offence is non-existent, he’s a complete liability on D, has zero hockey IQ, and needs to play with a Norris Candidate to cover up the large holes in his game.

Thinking any team in the league would pay a first for him is Oiler fan level of delusion. He’s the 6th best dman on his current team. I’m willing to bet Rasmussen Anderson would be a huge upgrade on Brodie on the 2nd pairing if he was given a chance.

Can you explain this?

Last time I checked he has the same amount of points as Gio and is a measly 2 behind Hamilton.

So if Brodie's offence is non-existent then Gio's is too and Hamilton's not much better - am I right is saying this coming from you expert opinion?

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by flameester

Can you explain this?

Last time I checked he has the same amount of points as Gio and is a measly 2 behind Hamilton.

So if Brodie's offence is non-existent then Gio's is too and Hamilton's not much better - am I right is saying this coming from you expert opinion?

Giordano and Hamilton bring a hell of a lot more to the equation than purely offence. If Brodie isn’t bringing offence, he’s bringing not much at all. Gio is +8, Hamilton is +13, Brodie is -8.

Would you consider Rhett Warrener a good opinion of NHL denfencemen? He seems to be of the same opinion as me with TJ Brodie. Eliott Friedman, though more diplomatic than Warrener, also routinely speaks about Brodie’s fall from grace when he’s calling in to the morning show.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Giordano and Hamilton bring a hell of a lot more to the equation than purely offence. If Brodie isn’t bringing offence, he’s bringing not much at all. Gio is +8, Hamilton is +13, Brodie is -8.

Would you consider Rhett Warrener a good opinion of NHL denfencemen? He seems to be of the same opinion as me with TJ Brodie. Eliott Friedman, though more diplomatic than Warrener, also routinely speaks about Brodie’s fall from grace when he’s calling in to the morning show.

NEITHER of those guys would assert that Brodie is:

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

absolutely terrible

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

has zero hockey IQ

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

the 6th best dman on his current team

Either take a deep breath and try to join the discussion from a rational approach, or avoid the topic. You sound unhinged.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Giordano and Hamilton bring a hell of a lot more to the equation than purely offence. If Brodie isn’t bringing offence, he’s bringing not much at all. Gio is +8, Hamilton is +13, Brodie is -8.

Would you consider Rhett Warrener a good opinion of NHL denfencemen? He seems to be of the same opinion as me with TJ Brodie. Eliott Friedman, though more diplomatic than Warrener, also routinely speaks about Brodie’s fall from grace when he’s calling in to the morning show.

Didn't Friedman also say Brodie would have good value just this past Friday?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

NEITHER of those guys would assert that Brodie is:


Either take a deep breath and try to join the discussion from a rational approach, or avoid the topic. You sound unhinged.

This is excellent advice I hope the poster takes it. Sometimes people force opinion's because they have a need to have them validated. The fact of the matter is not everyone agrees !00% of the time. There is value in shared opinions. Great game, the guys really stepped up!. Looking forward to the next one.

[Classic_Sniper]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think Brodie won’t be getting moved. If you look at the big picture, who could possibly jump in at the moment and play 24 minutes right away at a high level. Kulak is being sheltered at the moment and plays about half that. Our most ready NHL prospect shoots right and based on Treliving’s past decisions, it seems unlikely he’s willing to go into a new season penciling in a rookie.

Remember all the free agents he signed because he wasn’t convinced the kids were going be ready? Setoguchi, Grossman, Jagr, Versteeg and etc. I would also think he’d be even less willing to open up a spot for such an important position as the 2nd pairing defense.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Didn't Friedman also say Brodie would have good value just this past Friday?

Of course he has value, but he’s not going to bring a first back in the offseason or a first line winger at the deadline like he would have two years ago. A lot of Flames fan live in the past. The Brodie of today is far from what we projected he would be. His play has declined. He’s actually regressed in the prime of his career.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Of course he has value, but he’s not going to bring a first back in the offseason or a first line winger at the deadline like he would have two years ago. A lot of Flames fan live in the past. The Brodie of today is far from what we projected he would be. His play has declined. He’s actually regressed in the prime of his career.

Did you also see Travis Hamonic’s terrible season before the Flames sent a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for him. Injury, 14 points, -21. Not exactly an incredible performance but he still garnered big assets. If Treliving can’t get a king’s ransom, he won’t make the trade. The organization has no depth on left side defense.

[BigBrodieFan]

Risking sounding biased (ha)- Here are some stats for you that don't lie.

2014-2015 Season TJ Brodie ranked 11th in the NHL for TOI
2015-2016 Season TJ Brodie ranked 11th in the NHL for TOI
2016-2017 Season TJ Brodie ranked 22nd in the NHL for TOI
2017-2018 So far TJ Brodie ranks 22nd in the NHL for TOI


TJ Brodie is currently tied for points with Captain Mark Giordano at 24 for this year, and has led the Flames defence in points for most of the year thus far.

Last year he ranked 9th on the team with 36 points.
2015-2016 he ranked 5th on the team with 45 points.
2014-2015 he ranked 6th on the team with 41 points.



TJ Brodie has consistently put up minutes in the Flames' organization with whatever partner and whatever coach he's had, and has been consistent with points as well as TOI.

If I had a defenceman who put in that kind of TOI, and, who ranked 16th overall for the past 4 years in TOI thus far out of 690- yes 690 fn players- for 4 years, and averaged 40 points as a defencemen for the past three years (not counting this current year).. I'd consider his value high. But, I am biased because again, I'll be 'BigBrodieFan' regardless of the team he plays for.

Oh, and I can't speak for TJ or any of the players- but I do know one other fact. People really shouldn't assume anything about the personal lives of any of the players. Because, it's a fact that on a personal level, y'all don't know sh*t.

[EVERLAST]

Brodie is worth more until one of our up and comers exceeds what he can do regardless of poor play right now.
We have players that didn't play themselves onto our roster last year and that's how we ended up with stone and Bart.

Kulak made it and looks good for the most part. He does his job and isn't noticed and that's good.
Is Rasmus next? I hope we keep Brodie as I'm sure any team would take him right now.

What's he worth? Brad Could get allot at the deadline if we're not in a playoff spot and someone is willing to overpay .

Brodie has been very good for us and so I don't know that he's going anywhere. I hope he stays and reproves his value.

Keep #7

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Giordano and Hamilton bring a hell of a lot more to the equation than purely offence. If Brodie isn’t bringing offence, he’s bringing not much at all. Gio is +8, Hamilton is +13, Brodie is -8.

I believe plus or minus is a poor statistic to compare players...too may variables. Sidney Crosby is a -11.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I believe plus or minus is a poor statistic to compare players...too may variables. Sidney Crosby is a -11.

It’s definitely not a stat that I look into too much in regards to specifically our team. Looking at the numbers you’d think Dougie is our best defender and yet he doesn’t even kill penalties with regularity. Same sort of thing goes for the top line vs the Backlund line. The Backlund line is clearly the more trusted and superior defensive line. Also I know I’ve seen Gio and Brodie on the ice a lot when we get scored on 6-5 empty net situations, so that could also explain some of the discrepancies.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Risking sounding biased (ha)- Here are some stats for you that don't lie.

2014-2015 Season TJ Brodie ranked 11th in the NHL for TOI
2015-2016 Season TJ Brodie ranked 11th in the NHL for TOI
2016-2017 Season TJ Brodie ranked 22nd in the NHL for TOI
2017-2018 So far TJ Brodie ranks 22nd in the NHL for TOI


TJ Brodie is currently tied for points with Captain Mark Giordano at 24 for this year, and has led the Flames defence in points for most of the year thus far.

Last year he ranked 9th on the team with 36 points.
2015-2016 he ranked 5th on the team with 45 points.
2014-2015 he ranked 6th on the team with 41 points.



TJ Brodie has consistently put up minutes in the Flames' organization with whatever partner and whatever coach he's had, and has been consistent with points as well as TOI.

If I had a defenceman who put in that kind of TOI, and, who ranked 16th overall for the past 4 years in TOI thus far out of 690- yes 690 fn players- for 4 years, and averaged 40 points as a defencemen for the past three years (not counting this current year).. I'd consider his value high. But, I am biased because again, I'll be 'BigBrodieFan' regardless of the team he plays for.

Oh, and I can't speak for TJ or any of the players- but I do know one other fact. People really shouldn't assume anything about the personal lives of any of the players. Because, it's a fact that on a personal level, y'all don't know sh*t.

Sad but true. Happens more often than not (and not just this fan base). Far too often people say things they would never say face to face or to their own parents. I am grateful we have TJ Brodie on the team and I am sure his team mates appreciate him too. We heard a lot of things about Jay Bouwmeester during his time here too, but he seems to have done just fine for the Blues.

Unfortunately sometimes this is why we can't have nice things. Glad in spite of many obstacles these guys are pros. There are a lot of fans and kids out there who do appreciate TJ Brodie.