What is T.J. Brodie's value?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Brodie is an an absolutely terrible and has been for two years now. It’s not 2014 when we thought we had one hell of a future star. Not sure what happened, but his offence is non-existent, he’s a complete liability on D, has zero hockey IQ, and needs to play with a Norris Candidate to cover up the large holes in his game.

Thinking any team in the league would pay a first for him is Oiler fan level of delusion. He’s the 6th best dman on his current team. I’m willing to bet Rasmussen Anderson would be a huge upgrade on Brodie on the 2nd pairing if he was given a chance.

You are so out to lunch it's laughable.

You need to take a couple deep breaths and try again without the gross hyperbole... because no one is going to take you seriously in a discussion like this when you toss out garbage like the above bolded.

[Machiavelli]

Just when I thought CP couldn't get any nuttier.....Brodie for a second? They traded a 2nd for Lazar.

[jayswin]

Brodie maybe returning a 2nd is just as absurd as the "Brodie for a top 10 pick this year" suggestions.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah for all the hype Treliving got out of the Kris Russell trade...how do those assets look today?

Bodie for a second rounder is laughable.

It's not even that. TheAlpineOracle said "MIGHT" get a second. That's the kind of stupid comment that follows someone around the internet for years.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Brodie is a fantastic reaction player. Making plays offensively on the rush, breaking up plays when he's defending odd man rushes, he's great simply letting his instincts take over, in fact he's amazing.

Give him even the slightest amount of time to think and it's a tire fire. Once the opposition is set up in our end, or he has the puck with multiple options and time to chose, almost a guaranteed poor decision and catostrophic turn over.

Lately there's been more good than bad. Almost feel like the better the team gets the worse he'll be as the structure and control continues to give him mire time to think.

[flamesfever]

Also, Brodie's stats suggest he is increasingly important during the playoffs. I think this probably relates to the increased intensity, and his willingness to take chances.

[TheAlpineOracle]

If Treliving could get a 1st for Brodie, he’d be on the way out. Clears up cap room to address our scoring need, improves second pairing with Stone, opens up a spot for Anderson.

[transplant99]

Brodies value is whatever other teams determine it is.

For some, he wouldnt return anything more than a 2nd rounder. For others me may bring a 1st and a 3rd and a player/prospect. Its all about fit for the acquiring team.

I think people are kidding themselves that he would be hugely valued by anyone though. He is an elite skater who can carry the puck out at times, he is an ok passer, but fumbles those repeatedly, and he's a middle of the road offensive guy who seems to have a 4 pt. game every once in a while that boosts his numbers.

He is a black hole at times defensively and his shot is laughable. (everytime i hear a pbp guy say "over to Brodie and he shoots"...i fully expect that to be followed up with "and its blocked") which does speak to his hockey IQ...it really isnt very high. Usually putting it right into a set of shin pads, regardless if the opposition or his own team. Also he gives the puck away far too often...something few people mention.

He really can play a lot of minutes though, and that is valuable to any squad.

He reminds me of Mike Green actually. What would one give up for him?

In the end I hope he does get dealt but only in the right deal. Though that leaves a very big minute void on the back end, and i really hope its for a RW who can score 25 goals a year.

[Flash Walken]

He's like mike green without the offense.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

If Treliving could get a 1st for Brodie, he’d be on the way out. Clears up cap room to address our scoring need, improves second pairing with Stone, opens up a spot for Anderson.

You're out to lunch man.

Brodie gets you a first and another pick(s) depending on the pick ranges, or a top 6 winger of similar age. Despite his flaws, Brodie could play on the top 4 on any team in the league. He's in his prime & on a great deal (nice work by treliving). I suspect more than a handful of teams would have interest.

Anderson plays the right side. He's behind Gio, Hamonic, stone. Kylington, maybe Valimaki, is next in line on the left side. I suspect the Flames consider neither to be ready yet. Unless they really want to take the chance on a Tyler Johnson type trade, I don't see anything happening with the blue line until the summer.

The problem in dealing him now is the Flames would likely be dealing him to a team in a similar situation to themselves, looking to compete now. Otherwise, they may try and recoup some picks at the draft and deal him then.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Brodies value is whatever other teams determine it is.

For some, he wouldnt return anything more than a 2nd rounder. For others me may bring a 1st and a 3rd and a player/prospect. Its all about fit for the acquiring team.

I think people are kidding themselves that he would be hugely valued by anyone though. He is an elite skater who can carry the puck out at times, he is an ok passer, but fumbles those repeatedly, and he's a middle of the road offensive guy who seems to have a 4 pt. game every once in a while that boosts his numbers.

He is a black hole at times defensively and his shot is laughable. (everytime i hear a pbp guy say "over to Brodie and he shoots"...i fully expect that to be followed up with "and its blocked") which does speak to his hockey IQ...it really isnt very high. Usually putting it right into a set of shin pads, regardless if the opposition or his own team. Also he gives the puck away far too often...something few people mention.

He really can play a lot of minutes though, and that is valuable to any squad.

He reminds me of Mike Green actually. What would one give up for him?

In the end I hope he does get dealt but only in the right deal. Though that leaves a very big minute void on the back end, and i really hope its for a RW who can score 25 goals a year.

Pretty much agree with all of this. I do think green goes for a late 1st though, or a collection of 2nd/3rds. Brodie has more value.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

If Treliving could get a 1st for Brodie, he’d be on the way out. Clears up cap room to address our scoring need, improves second pairing with Stone, opens up a spot for Anderson.

You’re completely 100% wrong. Brodie could easily fetch a 1st+ right now as lots of teams are looking for defensemen and he still has term on his contract. Cap room isn’t a problem at this point in the season and going into next season.

Lastly, our strength in this organization is our right shooting defensemen. We don’t have much depth on the left side. So trading away one of our only experienced LHD wouldn’t make us better, it’d make us worse.

Stone and Hamonic both shoot right and have shown no capability of playing on their opposite side nor do they transport the puck at the same level. Kulak plays half the minutes Brodie plays ans isn’t ready for that kind of responsibility and Andersson is a rookie with 2 games under hist belt. We’re trying to contend for the playoffs, not last place in the division.

[bubbsy]

i think brodie definitely has value.

1. He's in the Dman's prime, age wise.
2. He's on a great value contract ($4.65M for 2 more years after this one)
3. He's a great skating Dman, who's got a lot of attributes of a PMD, with some gaps (refuses to shoot offensively, not a liability but also not a great defender in his own zone).

I think he could fit into a lot of playoff teams' top 4, expecially a team looking to bolster their mobility on the back end. Especially those who already have their PP bluelines established.

So if he's that good why should the flames trade him? That's easy too....
1. He's a bit redundant, as we have quite a few PMDs, on the roster, and in the pipeline
2. We don't have a good partner for him to really flourish. He's a rover, and as Elliott friedmann has stated a few times, he wonders if Hamonic has looked struggled due to playing in a somewhat adhoc way based on Brodie's rover style.

His value is a difficult answer, in that, it's a dynamic market place. Using the "well player X got this/that & the other" is a tough way to make an argument. Griffin friggin reinhart got a mid first round pick + a high 2nd round pick!

I think he's a decent 2nd pairing dman, and i think that gets back a decent 2nd pairing winger. The issue is that teams that are making a push for the cup aren't going to want to be wanting to remove stuff off their nhl roster. I also think it would be kind of dumb to trade him for a expiring UFA.

As such, at the deadline, only way i see him being moved is if we are getting a 1st + A-level prospect back. Otherwise, i'm willing to bet he is moved at the draft where more teams will be willing to part with NHL level players off their roster so that the flames can immediately fill holes for next season.

[Flash Walken]

Moving draft picks to get hamonic and then moving brodie to reacquire draft picks would be the most flames thing ever.

THEY NEED TO ADD SCORING AND THEY NEED TO ADD IT NOW

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah for all the hype Treliving got out of the Kris Russell trade...how do those assets look today?

Bodie for a second rounder is laughable.

Friggin amazing, like maybe Calgary's most likely NHL roster player.

Dillon Dube, drafted 56th overall. Named Captain of his World Junior team this year.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Friggin amazing, like maybe Calgary's most likely NHL roster player.

Dillon Dube, drafted 56th overall. Named Captain of his World Junior team this year.

That doesnt even consider that Russell is currently occupied cap space for the Oilers while sucking on the ice.

[Erick Estrada]

I personally think if the Flames trade Brodie he will be missed more than most think. He does a lot of little things that aren't maybe noticeable game to game and is great in the transition game and has been part of the team's OT success. That said I feel it's best for both parties for a change (last night's gaff was just another reminder why he needs to go) as he's probably the best trade piece the team has to get a top line scoring winger that is probably the biggest thing keeping this team from reaching the next level. I don't know if he's going to be moved though because I also think the team is planning to make a big run at Kane in free agency but something has to give as defense is an organizational strength and they need to take page out of the Predators book in using that strength to bolster their lack of skilled forwards.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Friggin amazing, like maybe Calgary's most likely NHL roster player.

Dillon Dube, drafted 56th overall. Named Captain of his World Junior team this year.

I forgot that Dube was drafted with that pick. Should do my homework.

[transplant99]

I think its safe to say though that acquiring draft picks now is OK IF you turn them into something else as the draft nears when they seem to be valued even more.

So if you cant find a player that suits your needs at the TD, do you still make a deal for the picks in hopes/expectations of turning those into a player at the draft?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its safe to say though that acquiring draft picks now is OK IF you turn them into something else as the draft nears when they seem to be valued even more.

So if you cant find a player that suits your needs at the TD, do you still make a deal for the picks in hopes/expectations of turning those into a player at the draft?

No, you don't move Brodie at the deadline unless you're getting immediate, next game scoring help from it.

If his deal was set to expire maybe you consider that, but right now moving brodie off the roster and replacing him with Rasmass and futures doesn't help this team make the playoffs or do anything if they get there.