[PGT] Bolts 7 Flames 4. Flames blow a third-period lead and lose for the 6th straight game

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

And if he pulls Smith after the 4-4 goal and Rittich lets in a softy because he is cold, he would still get ripped.

He has no shot of winning here.

And for the record, I don't believe GG is a good coach either, I just don't put anything on him tonight. Bad goaltending is a flat out game killer.

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[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I ask those who want the coaching staff fired....who replaces them that is available?

remember...Huska coaches the identical system. So nothing much changes that way if he is brought in.....so lets hear it people.

You fire a coaching staff, it has to be replaced with someone better.

Name them.

Me. That's who. I'm available. I have no coaching experience but I'm confident I could do better than the losers we give T-4's to.

[codynw]

The worst part is, the Lightning scored 7 goals and I didn't get anything for fantasy points from Tyler Johnson.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Ruff. He will use the D properly.

Maybe Sutter?

Frick, I would take Keenan at this point.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Timeouts don't matter much. I put it on the list alongside bag skates as stuff that fans like to talk about that is largely meaningless.
And I'm sure he talks to his team.

I'm not going to win an argument on this board about the coach. I get that.
But again - why are folks so adverse to placing accountability on the guys who literally have the game on their sticks?

Sure Troy Brouwer gets the finger wagged at him a lot.

But it comes to your best players. Tonight Smith wasn't' good enough. Other nights the top line hasn't been. Other nights the 2nd and 3rd lines weren't

Ultimately the players are the ones that decide games.

I don’t see anyone in here saying that Smith wasn’t garbage tonight. I see a bunch of people saying that everyone could tell Smith was garbage and that the coach should’ve done something before it got out of hand. This is a one off either there’s a history of this with this coach.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

They gave up? They had almost 20 shots in the 3rd period alone. I can’t go along with your narrative on this.

Yeah I saw no giving up from the team tonight.
I only watched the third, so my view is based on that, but even then they seemed like the better team ignoring the horrendous goals.

I agree with Lou that they have played better games the last 2 outings than a few during the win streak. Small consolation but the nature of sports.

I rarely point the finger in single directions but the last 2 games were lost on the shoulders of two guys - Frolik and Smith.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'm baffled how anyone can disagree with this.

Especially given what unfolded in the previous game, and the few before that.

Isn't that even more reason to take measures to limit the chances of things coming off the rails?

If the team was winning and inspiring confidence then sure, recent history indicates they likely have this or will settle down after the tying goal. Recent history should tell the coaching staff that they need actually do something there.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You asked why the coaches should be at least be partially at fault tonight, and I provided an explanation. Then you mock the source because you can't refute the statement.

What do you want?

So Mike Smiths goaltending is explained by poor ES players to start a period? (4th line was the best line on the ice tonight BTW)

Thats pure and utter garbage. I think Kent Wilson is a hack BTW.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That is a pretty ignorant statement. This is the NHL where any team can win any night.... no matter where you are in the "rebuild stage", you don't give up this many leads.

Yup, the opposite excuse was used when they blew a lead against Buffalo. Any team can win.

I'm sick of excuses. The team has to make a move and find out if their roster is maxed out on performance, or if GG sucks.

Wait too long and the Islanders might win the lottery.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I don’t see anyone in here saying that Smith wasn’t garbage tonight. I see a bunch of people saying that everyone could tell Smith was garbage and that the coach should’ve done something before it got out of hand. This is the one off either there’s a history of this with this coach.

So he pulled him and then Rittich let in an equally stinky goal.
Not sure a pull changes the outcome.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I ask those who want the coaching staff fired....who replaces them that is available?

remember...Huska coaches the identical system. So nothing much changes that way if he is brought in.....so lets hear it people.

You fire a coaching staff, it has to be replaced with someone better.

Name them.

Right now I would run with Gelinas, and in the off season Quenneville or Vigneault which I think will be available.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

also

Kent Wilson @Kent_Wilson
As for coaching tonight. GG should have pullied his goalie earlier, called a TO when his team started to collapse and not start each period with a line that features two of the worst ES players on the roster.

Had gulutzan pulled Smith after 4, the story would have been "idiot coach pulls all Star goalie known for mental fortitude during tie game in third period."

[Wolfman]

I hope Treliving comes out tomorrow and says "Well Glen has taken this team as far as he can take it." "Id like to introduce our new head coach Daryl Sutter".

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Lou on the Post Game Show:

The last two games, the Flames played better than some of the games during the 7 game win streak. I take that effort every night and roll the dice. But at the end of it you have to win games, and right now this team is finding ways to lose.

On the post game show, Hrudey mentioned that the mental fragility thing is a huge problem right now with the Flames, and the coaches are gonna have to find a positive way to address it with the players without making things worse.

Christ almighty, are these players really that fragile that they have to be treated with kid gloves when things aren't going well? I think another stick throw might be in order for this group...this time from Treliving.

[Singularity]

I don't even care anymore

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

So he pulled him and then Rittich let in an equally stinky goal.
Not sure a pull changes the outcome.

Do you not think that Rittich might be a tad bit rusty after all the breaks because our coach rarely uses him, even in back to back scenarios.

Is Smith going to play 70 games? He’s probably going to burn out sooner rather than later if that’s the case.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This team is frighteningly weak. The second that something in the routine changes, something goes remotely wrong... this team implodes. They won 7 straight on a regular schedule before their really long break... which took them out of their mojo and they haven't won since! They had that goal called back today and they started playing scared and they let in a goal within a minute.

They have no mental toughness. It's like we're playing a team full of Brian Elliotts. And you might see that as a personnel issue -- and there are players who I have issues with -- but there are so many guys out there who are playing SO well and are clearly emotionally invested. Giordano, Brouwer, Tkachuk, Smith (except tonight, obviously), Ferland... and while you have to look at how guys like Monahan and Gaudreau seem to be coasting a little, whose job is it to get these players motivated and ready to play? It's the coaches'! Earlier in the season, it seemed like they were somewhat successful -- Gaudreau and Monahan looked great every night, and it made Gulutzan's shortfalls easier to look past. Now, it looks like they've settled into complacency, and while this is unacceptable on their part, it's gone on for so long that Gulutzan should have fixed this by now.

So get rid of him, and Cameron, and Jerrard. This team needs new leadership, and it needs a give-a-#### mentality. Because right now, they have it -- but only when they're doing REALLY well and they haven't done REALLY well in a game in weeks.

Wait a sec. Weren’t you a massive glue gun fan boy? So much so you started a thread and tantrumed at anyone who disagreed?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

[Corral]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That is a pretty ignorant statement. This is the NHL where any team can win any night.... no matter where you are in the "rebuild stage", you don't give up this many leads.

Yeah that "any team can win on any night" is a narrative that doesn't hold water for me. The elite teams don't lose very often - games against them are not 50/50 propositions. And Calgary isn't one of them elite teams. Some of us have known that since August - others around here had us winning the division - as you just were laughing about.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

So he pulled him and then Rittich let in an equally stinky goal.
Not sure a pull changes the outcome.

The game was over at that point. If anyone thought this Flames team was coming back, they were kidding themselves.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I hope Treliving comes out tomorrow and says "Well Glen has taken this team as far as he can take it." "Id like to introduce our new head coach Daryl Sutter".

Oh man, I wish. If anybody can turn this team around, it would be Darryl.