[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Karl

Heh. Nice CORSI though. Too bad it means diddly squat if not enough of the team can score.

no ####, I said they didn't sit back...that is all

[tkflames]

I would be really surprised if this loss doesn't carry over into the next game and likely a few after that. Tampa, Chicago, Chicago next and these types of losses are from my experience followed by a few more as the confidence deteriorates as opposed to a strong bounce back. Definitely hoping for the later to support a teammate in Frolik...but likely he former.

[flameester]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Come on, he was caught totally unawares. Frolik said in the PG interview he was passing it back to Brodie. Obviously he should have just made sure to get it out but let's not act like TJ Brodie was not his usual braindead in his own zone and easily could have taken that pass if he had a lick of hockey sense which h he clearly does not. Frolik should not have made the pass but wtf was Brodie doing there just letting it float on by.

If it just floated by I,m sure Smith would have had a chance to stop the puck with no rebound.

But you are the expert on Brodie and his mistakes.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just for comparisons sake her are the players ahead of Gaudreau in the scoring race and the games they have without a point.

Kucherov: 12 games
Mackinnon: 16 games
Kessel: 15 games
Stamkos: 16 games
Tavares: 19 games
Giroux: 15 games

Gaudreau: 17 games

Don’t want any of those inconsistent floaters on my team, bunch of Marius Czerkawski wannabes

Thanks for digging out these numbers. Of all the things to complain about this season, Gaudreau isn’t one of them. And he’s the 45th highest salary in the league.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Treliving is an overrated gm, who is fun because he plays his role like a guy would playing franchise mode in an early NHL video game.

The rebuild always has a chance of ultimately failing, if while bottoming out, the team does not attain enough high end talent. So, yes though maybe not this season or next, but at some point a blow it up is not out of the question should there be a realization that this core isn't skilled enough to win in the new high speed high skill nhl.

Gulutzan is not a good coach, but all I'm saying is the flames played a good game tonight outside 2 brain farts and a useless pp. That too against the best team in the conference.

The team is not a coaching change away from being a contender, just like they aren't a player away from being one either. It's sad and depressing, especially with a gm handing out top picks, and ownership threatening to leaves town because folks aren't willing to give them hundreds of millions so that the owners can make more profits.

My point, is that doing nothing will result in no changes. Treliving thinks they are close (the picks) so they need to make a coaching change to better determine if the talent level is inadequate.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I would be really surprised if this loss doesn't carry over into the next game and likely a few after that. Tampa, Chicago, Chicago next and these types of losses are from my experience followed by a few more as the confidence deteriorates as opposed to a strong bounce back. Definitely hoping for the later to support a teammate in Frolik...but likely he former.

Next game is massive...Win and its 1-1 against the top two teams in the league (pretty decent week)

Lose and the noose tightens

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol you can't be serious

Yeah. I am. We have been since the start.

Johnny is streaky this season.

It's incredible that you are using Johnny's points total against the rest of the team. How does that help support he is a consistent player?

He is streaky, son, and that's all there is to it.

[N-E-B]

Glen Gulutzan plays loser hockey. When he publicly stated he plays for overtime was when I lost all faith in him. Loser hockey. He lost in Dallas, he lost in Vancouver, and now he's losing in Calgary.

Dave Cameron is no good. His power play was a train wreck in Ottawa, why on earth would anyone think he would be good here? When was our last power play goal? Buffalo? And the one before that? What are we at now, 20 power plays in a row without a goal? Stone shoots 105.1 MPH but for some piss all reason we have Backlund (who, by the way, has been terrible for about a month now) taking one timers? It's okay to use two defenseman on the point, our team doesn't have the personnel to utilize 4 forwards.

How a guy as unbelievably useless as Curtis Lazar still manages to get playing time over Mangiapane is baffling. I liked the gamble at the time, but it clearly didn't pan out. Cut your losses and move on already. I didn't even realize he was playing until half way through the 2nd period. Even Stajan has a goal this year for God's sake.

Matthew Tkachuk and Gio are the only guys on this team who bring it every single night. That kid better be our next captain. I might even put Gaudreau in this group this year. Sometimes I feel like Monahan and Ferland take nights off and it brings Johnny down. I love all three of those guys, so I don't want to knock them too much.

This team pretty much pissed away their 7 game streak. I'm so pissed off right now. Sitting in my seat I had the exact same feeling I had after Perry scored in OT of Game 3 last year. I'm utterly stunned right now. What a choke job.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by badradio

You would think they would learn not to sit back with a one goal lead. That was a garbage effort.

The effort was actually very good for at least 58 minutes tonight, which for most NHL teams is usually good enough to win most games. I thought they played a strong 3rd period and I didn't think they sat back too much at all. They had complete control of this game and were a mere 2 minutes way from a hard fought two points...

And then all of a sudden Frolik has an uncharacteristic brain fart, the team collapses like a cheap tent, and suddenly it's game over in a matter of seconds. I'd say it was their fragile nature that did them in tonight, not a lack of effort. Of course the craptastic PP didn't help either.

[Beninho]

Oh just realized we play Tampa next, one of the worst #### ups I’ve seen in the regular season. This is a flawed team from the top down.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hah. Nice stats gymnastics there. We're talking about consistency and hot/cold streaks, not total games over the course of a season.

Well what are your numbers that support JG is more inconsistent than other scorers?

[meh]

If we lose to the Hawks next game, I would prefer that we would be Sellers this year.
I really don't think this team has "what it takes".
I hope I'm wrong, but i know I'm not.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

People, people, people...it was absolutely a heartbreaker of a loss. But this was the 1st regulation loss we’ve had in something like 54 games. We were 50-0-3 leading after 2. Anyone who questions the mental fortitude of the team, or the decision making of the coach, or the team’s best shutdown line who was fresh from a line change just isn’t paying attention.

As awful as we all feel right now, this was just a freak loss from a team of destiny who seemingly has had a horse shoe up their ass all season long. On a positive note, at the very least, we played well against the best team in the league (winning%). It shows we’re not far away from being an elite team IMO.

What's their record in their last 3 when leading after 2? 0-2-1? That's why people are concerned. Games are getting tougher and the flames haven't found the next gear.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yeah. I am. We have been since the start.

Johnny is streaky this season.

It's incredible that you are using Johnny's points total against the rest of the team. How does that help support he is a consistent player?

He is streaky, son, and that's all there is to it.

EVERY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE IS STREAKY

consistency and hot/cold streaks are literally the same thing that is why I lol'ed at your comment

seriously dude this is not the hill to die on..JG is inconsistent sure but is also the most consistent point producer on the team...PERIOD

good night sir

[flameester]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Love the Brodie and Frolik shots at Smith costing this team points. Un ####ing believable, complete bush league. I’m done. Taking a few weeks off from watching this #### storm

Trade Backlund, this team isn’t contending anytime soon. I would like some picks back or a player who can shoot the ####ing puck

You need to take some time off because you are making no sense whatsoever.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tkflames

What's their record in their last 3 when leading after 2? 0-2-1? That's why people are concerned. Games are getting tougher and the flames haven't found the next gear.

?? They have 1 loss leading after 2 in like 50 some games...so that can't be right

[zamler]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Sitting in my seat I had the exact same feeling I had after Perry scored in OT of Game 3 last year. I'm utterly stunned right now. What a choke job.

You know what's crazy? I've followed this team from the beginning so I should have long since become immune to the collapses. But nope.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Dave Cameron literally got on the radio tonight and said you just got to throw game away. He also reiterated that special teams win hockey games and you “just have to stay with your system”.

I don’t normally advocate for people losing jobs, but this guy has got to go.

Been saying it before but Cameron doesn't seem to be helping his coach very much. In other words what he is saying is, "we need to stick with the 2-1 game plan and trust the pp". He says this even after we are on a 5 game losing streak....

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well what are your numbers that support JG is more inconsistent than other scorers?

don't bother he has gone off the deep end...there is no player that puts up 81 points in 81 games

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

My point, is that doing nothing will result in no changes. Treliving thinks they are close (the picks) so they need to make a coaching change to better determine if the talent level is inadequate.

Not disagreeing at all, I've held that opinion much of the year.

I'm just saying, looking at this game in complete isolation, the flames played well other than the 2 individual players screw-ups and a a useless pp. I'm disappointed with the players more than the coaches this game.