2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Is there a player who went in the top 5 that was a late bloomer? The only player that comes to mind is Nino Niederreiter

Braden Schenn comes to mind, and maybe Turris, Hickey and Drouin.

Ryan Strome, Griffin Reinhart and Nail Yakupov are still waiting to bloom.

[Poe969]

I agree but I don't think that Brodie and Bennett are enough for Stone, other teams would surely offer more than a former first rounder who isn't producing and a defenseman who's offense isn't producing more points than his defense is costing. Would you do something like Bennett, Brodie, 2019 first, Stajan for Stone and Pyatt?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Brodie and bennett are a combo for Stone not Hoffman. Brodie for Hoffman straight up is closer.

I think Ottawa adds. That trade happens and the Sens move Brodie to the right side and they fleece us again like they did on the Lazar deal

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is true but you realize that was 4 years after he was drafted right?

Remember Bennett missed nearly the entire season after he was drafted and was then rushed to the nhl. He was converted to Centre too soon and struggled there as well.

Do you acknowledge that Bennett has shown basically no progression from year to year? In fact he’s actually gone the other way? That’s the easily the most important thing to look at when trying to determine what he might become. And it’s not looking good.

[TheChief]

I cant believe some people think moving our 2019 1st would be enough to land Stone.. Stone is a PPG player this year. Would you accept the same deal for say Monahan? Crazy

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Braden Schenn comes to mind, and maybe Turris, Hickey and Drouin.

Ryan Strome, Griffin Reinhart and Nail Yakupov are still waiting to bloom.

Don't forget about Curtis Lazar!

[TheChief]

People really overvaluing some of our players in here. Tell me what has Brodie and Bennett done over the past three years to garner any of this value?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Do you acknowledge that Bennett has shown basically no progression from year to year? In fact he’s actually gone the other way? That’s the easily the most important thing to look at when trying to determine what he might become. And it’s not looking good.

Bennett has absolutely struggled and the one thing he has proven is to be very streaky. Even in his 18 goal 36pt rookie year he would be hot and cold. Similar to this year where he lead the team in scoring in December and has been invisible since.

I have stated this before but I think Bennett and Brodie are assets that are too important to move until they fire the coach. Bennett had a very decent season under Hartley and Brodie had several. Neither are working under the style of play Gulutzan has the team playing.

Bennett has low value but I absolutely see that he has excellent potential.

Personally I think he thrives under a coach like Sutter

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Ottawa adds. That trade happens and the Sens move Brodie to the right side and they fleece us again like they did on the Lazar deal

my issue with this is that you're dealing in the unknown. What if the sens move him to the right side and he's even worse than he is now, is that a fleecing? What if Brodie plays the exact same as he is now but Hoffman comes in and scores 30 more goals because he's with better forwards?

At this point, right now, Brodie isn't that great. He could be good and he could get worse but right now he's not as good as we'd like him to be. Right now Hoffman is the kind of trigger man the Flames need to help spark their offense and PP. It could go either way but at this point now, it's more than fair to deal Brodie for Hoffman IMO.

[TheChief]

I agree with the sentiment that a new coach should be brought in before trading someone like Bennett or Brodie (as their values are at a all time low). I personally will be surprised if GG is back next year barring a miracle run to the final.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheChief

People really overvaluing some of our players in here. Tell me what has Brodie and Bennett done over the past three years to garner any of this value?

I think this is actually a fair question, and the only answer is that there are still GMs in the league that don't do very much homework and will bite on old hype/ numbers from a few years back. But this is also why we have to package them IMO to get anything worthwhile.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Poe969

my issue with this is that you're dealing in the unknown. What if the sens move him to the right side and he's even worse than he is now, is that a fleecing? What if Brodie plays the exact same as he is now but Hoffman comes in and scores 30 more goals because he's with better forwards?

At this point, right now, Brodie isn't that great. He could be good and he could get worse but right now he's not as good as we'd like him to be. Right now Hoffman is the kind of trigger man the Flames need to help spark their offense and PP. It could go either way but at this point now, it's more than fair to deal Brodie for Hoffman IMO.

While I still think Brodie is the more valuable trade piece, I wouldn’t really be upset with this deal. I do prefer it to moving any of our prospects or doing anything with 2019 first round pick.

[Monahammer]

Why wait for the new coach then? Does anyone realistically see the team as built and as coached even making it past the second round? It's the playoffs and anything can happen but our track record and Glen's coaching career speak for themselves...

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by TheChief

I agree with the sentiment that a new coach should be brought in before trading someone like Bennett or Brodie. I personally will be surprised if GG is back next year barring a miracle run to the final.

I think you’re dreaming if you think Gulutzan gets let go after making the playoffs two years in a row. I think the only chance would be another 4 game sweep in the first round.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Right now Hoffman is the kind of trigger man the Flames need to help spark their offense and PP. It could go either way but at this point now, it's more than fair to deal Brodie for Hoffman IMO.

I agree Hoffman helps, in fact he's the type of finisher you want on a PP but the big caveat here is Cameron, if hes still coaching the power play I wouldn't be surprised we could bring in Stamkos, Laine or Ovechkin and still be hard pressed to get them the puck if we can even get in the zone itself.

Starts with the coach, we need a finisher and a new PP coach at the same time.

[TheChief]

I think upper management has higher expectations then what some of us may think. They have went all in with picks and prospects the last few summers improving the team.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Somehow, your additions made it worse.

I agree, but it was never a one for one trade. Anyways, I am hoping to use our depth at defense, both in the AHL and NHL to snag a top 6 Scoring winger. Who that is? I couldn't tell you.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have stated this before but I think Bennett and Brodie are assets that are too important to move until they fire the coach. Bennett had a very decent season under Hartley and Brodie had several. Neither are working under the style of play Gulutzan has the team playing.

Brodie yes, Bennett no.
You can't coach offense, you can coach defensive structure.
A new coach will not help Bennett score more goals or improve his hockey IQ/offensive instincts.

[Beninho]

Bennett is so far away from being a consistent scorer in this league and the flames frankly don’t have much time to wait for him to find his game, if he ever finds it all. They need to capitalize on Gio’s last years of his prime. Flames are in desperate need of another top 6 forward and have been for some time. Brodie and Bennett should be packaged in some sort of deal and maybe a prospect to land that player. Both have low hockey IQ’s and have stalled or regressed in their development as hockey players, get rid of them while they still have value.

[djsFlames]

Just trade for Hoffman or Grabner already.

Why you heff to wait for deadline.