2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

So I’m off by 1 player - big woop - I definitely envision a day we move one of the top 4 - it would be bad asset management not to with the likes of Andersson, Valimaki, Kulak, Fox and others pushing and projecting to be top 4 it’s easy to see at least one of them jumping up. Not saying trade top 4 today but If the deal made sense I could see it happening

The player is very important though.
You suggest trading a top 4 D on a good contract. IgiTang suggested trading a top 6 forward that is expiring and likely asking for a massive raise. So in my opinion the one player is not a big woop

[Vinny01]

If Evander Kane is going to return a top 4 D on a good co tract we should be able to trade Backlund for a top 6 winger with term left as well.

Who are our options?

Backlund for Hoffman straight up?

[Heavy Jack]

It’s not Brodie plus really - Brodie/Wotherspoon is actually kind of weak going off of the supposed ask. They want a top 6 fwd/ top 4 D roster player, top pick, top prospect at least according to the talking heads like Friedman. I’m going off of the ask is all - didn’t mean to come back so hot either but that’s just my take. I felt I wasn’t including enough honestly but your right - the deal is inbetween what your and my offers usually tend to be.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

To Sabers
Brodie
Bennett
Wotherspoon

To flames
Kane - contingent on him willing to sign extension
Reinhart

True hockey trade, Flames add an additional D prospect who hasn’t been able to put it together here - is value fair/close? What needs to be added/taken away?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Reinhart
Kane - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Stajan - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Kylington/Andersson - Stone
Kylington/Andersson

Smith
Rittich

Left wing is deepest in the league; right wing improves as well.

This is sooo bad.

O.o

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Dan403

This is sooo bad.

O.o

You can simply thank the post that has already let him know... you don’t need to quote the entire post and pile on. Makes you look like an ass.

[Monahammer]

I've actually liked what Lazar has been bringing lately- he could turn out to be a late bloomer. He could also be one of those all the tools/ no toolbox guys.

Anyways, I don't care for Reinhart. Jury is still out on Bennett too- he also looks better now that he's on the wing, but his hot/cold streaks are unbelievable. 1 point in the last 10 is pretty foul.

I would also trade Brodie for a winger (maybe not Kane)... If he still holds that kind of value. I've resolved myself to the probability that this is just the real Brodie, and the superstar we saw was getting propped up by prime Giordano.

[Vinny01]

Travis Hamonic had a disaster season last year and returned a 1st and 2 2nds. Brodie’s value might not be that high since he will be 28 next year with only 2 years term left but he should be worth a 1st and 2nd at least.

I prefer to play him on the right side before trading him.

If we are moving a D this summer I am still leaning toward a blockbuster involving Hamilton so we can target a Marner type player in return a top young forward under 25

[Poe969]

I would really be surprised if teams would give up a lot for Brodie considering the way he has been playing this year. I would try to trade him ASAP and no way would I be moving Dougie unless the return is amazing and an overpayment.

[Ashasx]

If you are considering Brodie and you don't get offered more than what you gave up for Hamonic, you stop considering trading Brodie.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If you are considering Brodie and you don't get offered more than what you gave up for Hamonic, you stop considering trading Brodie.

*cough* what??!?

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I've actually liked what Lazar has been bringing lately- he could turn out to be a late bloomer. He could also be one of those all the tools/ no toolbox guys.

Anyways, I don't care for Reinhart. Jury is still out on Bennett too- he also looks better now that he's on the wing, but his hot/cold streaks are unbelievable. 1 point in the last 10 is pretty foul.

I would also trade Brodie for a winger (maybe not Kane)... If he still holds that kind of value. I've resolved myself to the probability that this is just the real Brodie, and the superstar we saw was getting propped up by prime Giordano.

His hussle has been great and the odd pass has connected, but his finishing skills are gross.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

*cough* what??!?

If Hamonic nets a solid 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks, and Larsson nets Hall, Brodie (who is better than both players) should net a huge return.

And if he doesn't, you don't trade him.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If you are considering Brodie and you don't get offered more than what you gave up for Hamonic, you stop considering trading Brodie.

I think we need to consider that Flames overpaid for Hamonic. If the Isles would return those same picks for Brodie, I’d probably do it even though it is somewhat like conceding defeat. I’d be curious what kind of forward those picks would return.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Travis Hamonic had a disaster season last year and returned a 1st and 2 2nds. Brodie’s value might not be that high since he will be 28 next year with only 2 years term left but he should be worth a 1st and 2nd at least.

I prefer to play him on the right side before trading him.

If we are moving a D this summer I am still leaning toward a blockbuster involving Hamilton so we can target a Marner type player in return a top young forward under 25

Unless its a dramatic win for the Flames, I don't trade him period end of story.

In fact, and I might be called a homer, I don't trade any defenseman for a dramatic win. But with a guy like Hamilton, unless the opposition GM is squeeling in pain and reaching for a bag of frozen peas to sit on forget it.

On top of that, I wouldn't be interested in Marner who's looked like what he is, a defensively unreliable marshmelon, who isn't lighting the world on fire. The last thing we need is another Gary Leeman trade where a guy produced because of the system.

We don't need anymore soft forwards who are afraid of the boards and can't win a puck battle to save their lives, we're doing enough of that over the last two games.

We've got to many forwards who are a bit soft and a bit passive in the offensive zone and a bit too fancy. We need that guy that's going to drive the lane to the net, not take any crap, and simply shoot. In other words we need another MT type of ruthless player. Show me one that's 25 or under that's out there and I would think about trading Hamilton, but again, its at a premium for the Flames

[Monahammer]

Hamilton should be nearly untouchable. He, Johnny, and Monahan are the three most valuable pieces on the team (with Tkachuk close behind). Outside of them (and Gio and Smith) I think everyone is expendable at this point if it makes the lineup better.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think we need to consider that Flames overpaid for Hamonic. If the Isles would return those same picks for Brodie, I’d probably do it even though it is somewhat like conceding defeat. I’d be curious what kind of forward those picks would return.

We have plenty of examples of defencemen getting huge returns in trades, more than their perceived value.

If the Flames go and trade who should be their stud defenceman and they don't get a return like this, they have completely failed.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Hamonic nets a solid 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks, and Larsson nets Hall, Brodie (who is better than both players) should net a huge return.

And if he doesn't, you don't trade him.

The problem with that is both Calgary and Edmonton overpaid for their 4/5 Dman, it's not a reflection of what that type of player should bring in in a trade most of the time IMO. You can't restrict yourself from improving the team just because you made a bad trade in trade in the past. I would be shocked if Brodie brought in anything close to a Hall or a bounty of picks... that doesn't mean he shouldn't be traded if it truly improves the team.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Frolik expiring, Brouwer in last year can be bought out or traded, Stone and Hamonic can be traded since thats about when you’d expect some of these defensive prospects to be moved up. Smith will be 37, even if they do resign him it wont be more for his current cap. There’s definitely ways to make it work.

And ya, its probably a pipe dream but maybe let some people have some fun with it? This is literally a speculation thread.

Exactly, Tavares hitting the open market and even considering Calgary is unlikely. But if he does should we go for him? Yep

Also agree on all your points. Throw on top we hear about guys we need to resign, but really at his current production what is Bennett getting? Smith at 37 getting? Ferland? Tkachuk? For me Tkachuk is the only guy playing his way into a 6 mil contract. Ferland maybe 4 and Bennett maybe 3. If this changes next year and all out produce what they are doing now and some get a Tavares spike the question of who we lose is just one question. The other question is how good are the Flames if these guys are putting up 10-20 more points each? Cup contenders I would think?

[CaptainCrunch]

If I'm trading for Kane, and especially a Brodie for Kane deal, it better really include a lot of incentives.

There is no way that Kane isn't going to test the market, he's not signing a deal anywhere.

So if I'm going to trade Brodie, and Buffalo wants to get rid of Kane

Brodie + 3rd for Kane and Buffalo's first (IF Kane signs top 10 protected, if he doesn't not protected).

If Buffalo doesn't like it, they can trade the rights to Kane this summer for a 3rd round pick before free agency.

He's that player that if I'm a Flames I take a shot at a ridiculous trade and if I don't get it I walk away whistling.

[Harry Lime]

This place is getting weird. Baptiste had a lot of jump in his game, and for whatever reason isn't getting a real look in buffalo. If the Sabres really have soured on Reinhart, I would take a roster player who's loss wouldn't hurt the Flames but would help the Sabres; in Stone.

Stone, Lazar and Shinkaruk (two change of scenery guys)
for
Reinhart and Baptiste

If Reinhart has really fallen that low. Stay far away from Kane. Top 6 winger not really needed here.