2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They have more players making 5+ million a year than the Flames do.

that isn't the point...they are too cheap to pay their players fair market value

Calgary is just in a different place with their high end players being younger

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

You "love the list"? ummm ok... you realize the list is not my list right?

The list includes all the players without a contract next year... the list could be named joe schmoes if you want - you still need to ice a full roster which means all the names on that list have to be replaced with other players...

8-10 holes on the roster, minus one if this pipe dream of Tavares comes true... 20 million cap room using 78 million minus 12-13 for Tavares still leaves you 7-8 million for 7-9 roster spots

you could fill them with AHL'ers if you want: i just happen to think that is not a good strategy.

I am not stressed at all: i just find it funny that people think dropping a 12 million plus salary (because it could very well be 13 million too) isn't going to have an impact on the team's salary structure and actually making the roster weaker overall.

So if you have:

Forwards:
Tavares 12
Gaudreau 6.75
Monahan 6.3
Brouwer 4.5
Frolik 4.3
Bennett 1.95
Ferland 1.75
Lazar 0.95
Tkachuk 0.925
Jankowski 2.0
Mangipane 0.7
Hrivik 0.8
Hathaway 1

Defence:
Giordano 6.75
Hamilton 5.75
Brodie 4.65
Hamonic 3.857
Stone 3.5
Kulak 1.5
Andersson 0.76

Goalies:
Smith 4.25
Rittich 0.9

This adds up to under 75 mil and if you add in 0.9 wasted space from buyouts that is 22 guys about 2 mil room. Also this pretty much is the current roster of players minus Stajan, Bartkowski and Backlund. It only is adding in Rasmus Andersson from the current AHL roster. Doesn't seem to me that a need for 8-9 AHL'ers in because we added Tavares is accurate. Sorry your numbers aren't adding up

Plus we all don't seem to want to trade all our stud prospects for good players because these guys are too good. Then someone suggest to add a MVP candidate to our roster and fill our depth with these same prospects that are to good to trade isn't smart management. Sorry again your numbers are adding up

[Tinordi]

If you can sign John Tavares, a top 5 center in the league and hungry to win a cup, you do it.

Don't overthink things sometimes. I can guarantee you if, in the unexpected chance Tavares hits the open market, that the Flames will be extremely active to secure his services.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If you can sign John Tavares, a top 5 center in the league and hungry to win a cup, you do it.

Don't overthink things sometimes. I can guarantee you if, in the unexpected chance Tavares hits the open market, that the Flames will be extremely active to secure his services.

Yeah, absolutely.

Tavares can carry wingers so it would afford the Flames the ability to slide Monahan and Gaudreau down into a de facto "2nd line" role. And it's not like Tavares would be carrying schlubbs. You could pick from Tkachuk, Bennett, Frolik.

Flames would instantly become one of the deepest teams down the middle and basically two #1 lines and Janko anchoring a 3rd line.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Andersson has been deemed by the organization as more NHL worthy now, currently has more goals, assists, and shots than Kylington, has a better +/-, and has shown more growth from last season to this. Kylington may be flashier, but what else puts him ahead of Andersson in your opinon?

Besides Kylington being a full half year younger than Rasmus (a later 1996 birthday), he's had 1 more year of pro experience as Rasmus spent the first season as a Flames draftee with the Barrie Colts.

Also, his skating reminds me of Karlsson. That, in a defenceman? You can't teach that. Young high-end dmen like Sergachev and Hanifin are already showing how far elite skating in today's league gets you, and I think Kylington will be up in a year or two to prove the same.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But he absolutely fell out of the 1st round and damn near into the 3rd because he was bad defensively.

I suppose it would be how you define being bad defensively. He did garner a reputation of trying to force plays and failing because he likes the puck on his stick and to control the game. But I wouldn't really equate that to being a tire-fire in his own zone, as your post seems to imply. While his d-zone play definitely needed lots of improvement, most offensively minded defencemen share that same deficiency - Adam Fox in his draft year is the most recent example of this.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

So if you have:

Forwards:
Tavares 12
Gaudreau 6.75
Monahan 6.3
Brouwer 4.5
Frolik 4.3
Bennett 1.95
Ferland 1.75
Lazar 0.95
Tkachuk 0.925
Jankowski 2.0
Mangipane 0.7
Hrivik 0.8
Hathaway 1

Defence:
Giordano 6.75
Hamilton 5.75
Brodie 4.65
Hamonic 3.857
Stone 3.5
Kulak 1.5
Andersson 0.76

Goalies:
Smith 4.25
Rittich 0.9

This adds up to under 75 mil and if you add in 0.9 wasted space from buyouts that is 22 guys about 2 mil room. Also this pretty much is the current roster of players minus Stajan, Bartkowski and Backlund. It only is adding in Rasmus Andersson from the current AHL roster. Doesn't seem to me that a need for 8-9 AHL'ers in because we added Tavares is accurate. Sorry your numbers aren't adding up

Plus we all don't seem to want to trade all our stud prospects for good players because these guys are too good. Then someone suggest to add a MVP candidate to our roster and fill our depth with these same prospects that are to good to trade isn't smart management. Sorry again your numbers are adding up

the comment was you needed to fill 8-9 roster spots, the AHL'ers were mentioned due to your patronizing tone on how you "love the list"...75.84 million actually with only 1 spare forward, unlikely, but whatever.

perfect... works great until 2019, when Smith, Tkachuk, Bennett and Ferland all need contracts.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is a ridiculous pipe dream. The NYI are not letting their franchise player leave and he doesn't want to go. If John Tavares ends up a Calgary Flame as a UFA this upcoming year I will do a full back tattoo of Brad Treliving doing the buddy Christ on my back. It isn't happening.

dissentower said it best... 10000% agree with him and will leave it at that

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the comment was you needed to fill 8-9 roster spots, the AHL'ers were mentioned due to your patronizing tone on how you "love the list"...75.84 million actually with only 1 spare forward, unlikely, but whatever.

perfect... works great until 2019, when Smith, Tkachuk, Bennett and Ferland all need contracts.



dissentower said it best... 10000% agree with him and will leave it at that

Frolik expiring, Brouwer in last year can be bought out or traded, Stone and Hamonic can be traded since thats about when you’d expect some of these defensive prospects to be moved up. Smith will be 37, even if they do resign him it wont be more for his current cap. There’s definitely ways to make it work.

And ya, its probably a pipe dream but maybe let some people have some fun with it? This is literally a speculation thread.

[Heavy Jack]

To Sabers
Brodie
Bennett
Wotherspoon

To flames
Kane - contingent on him willing to sign extension
Reinhart

True hockey trade, Flames add an additional D prospect who hasn’t been able to put it together here - is value fair/close? What needs to be added/taken away?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Reinhart
Kane - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Stajan - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Kylington/Andersson - Stone
Kylington/Andersson

Smith
Rittich

Left wing is deepest in the league; right wing improves as well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

To Sabers
Brodie
Bennett
Wotherspoon

To flames
Kane - contingent on him willing to sign extension
Reinhart

True hockey trade, Flames add an additional D prospect who hasn’t been able to put it together here - is value fair/close? What needs to be added/taken away?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Reinhart
Kane - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Stajan - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Kylington/Andersson - Stone
Kylington/Andersson

Smith
Rittich

Left wing is deepest in the league; right wing improves as well.

Another horrible trade for the Flames by Heavy Jack.

Bennett at worst = Reinhart

Please let me know when mediocre rental player has been traded for a top 4 D on a good contract? You also feel the value favors Buffalo so we toss in a worthless Wotherspoon (who might be useful to the Flames if they move one of their only decent left shot D)

I don’t mean any offense here HJ but I see a trend with the blockbusters you propose and they seem to be really bad Flames trades

[IgiTang]

Reality is Kane is going to get $6m on the open market. Is that where the league is at now, $6m on 3rd line wingers?

That said, I thought Reinhart looked good yesterday and liked the idea of him in Flames silks.

I’m still against trading Bennett for the time being. I think he’s one of the only players on the Flames who’s motor is always going. It’s everything else that he needs to adjust.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a deal of

Backlund and Brodie for Kane and Reinhart. 2 for 2, a real hockey trade.

Let Bennett and Jankowski fight it out for 2nd line C and perhaps Reinhart has something to say about the position as well.

But a forward group of

Gaudreau-Monny-Kane/Ferland
Tkachuk-Jankowski/Bennett-reinhart/Kane
Ferland/Kane-Bennett-Frolik
Mangiapane-Hrivik-Brouwer

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Reality is Kane is going to get $6m on the open market. Is that where the league is at now, $6m on 3rd line wingers?

That said, I thought Reinhart looked good yesterday and liked the idea of him in Flames silks.

I’m still against trading Bennett for the time being. I think he’s one of the only players on the Flames who’s motor is always going. It’s everything else that he needs to adjust.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a deal of

Backlund and Brodie for Kane and Reinhart. 2 for 2, a real hockey trade.

Let Bennett and Jankowski fight it out for 2nd line C and perhaps Reinhart has something to say about the position as well.

But a forward group of

Gaudreau-Monny-Kane/Ferland
Tkachuk-Jankowski/Bennett-reinhart/Kane
Ferland/Kane-Bennett-Frolik
Mangiapane-Hrivik-Brouwer

Definitely a more balanced deal as Backlund would also be a rental. Buffalo could flip him to Pitt for a 1st+. In that scenario Kane would almost certainly need to be re-signed.

I agree with your take on Reinhart I liked his game last night and he is a right shot Centre/wing.

Reading the Buffalo message boards they seem open to trading him but would want a solid D prospect as part of the return. Maybe something around Andersson or Fox + Lazar or another similar young forward for Reinhart?

Flames add right shot depth but also add a potential long term fit so sending out futures doesn’t sting as much?

At the end of the day I do not see a scenario where the Flames move one of their top 4 D before the draft. They will want to enter the playoffs with all that depth. I definitely see the Flames shopping one of their top 4 at the draft.

[colbym72]

The issue with free agency in all sports is players get paid a little more than they are worth because of bidding wars. Sometimes you have to be willing to overpay for someones skill to keep/sign them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by colbym72

The issue with free agency in all sports is players get paid a little more than they are worth because of bidding wars. Sometimes you have to be willing to overpay for someones skill to keep/sign them.

They get paid a lot more than they are worth. Few top tier UFA contract turn out where the money justifies the production. Some of them work out but most don't. The best UFA contracts are usually handed out to their 2 UFA's that are signed to more manageable contracts.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by colbym72

The issue with free agency in all sports is players get paid a little more than they are worth because of bidding wars. Sometimes you have to be willing to overpay for someones skill to keep/sign them.

That’s why teams rarely win when their best players were acquired via free agency. Chara in Boston is the only example I can think of where a teams best player was acquired on July 1st.

If the Flames pay Evander Kane $6M per and he only scores 45pts a season that would be a disaster considering his off ice reputation is among the worst in the league

[Royle9]

If people hate Bennett you're going to hate Reinhart hes a softer less productive Bennett who shies away from the dirty areas and seemingly seems to always be getting train tracked by big hits (maybe its just more noticeable) for a 2nd OA the only thing he's got going for him is a RHS..

At this rate, I'd maybe flip him for Lazar and hope the "change of scenery" does something but I wouldnt trade Bennett for him 1 for 1

[djsFlames]

**shies, **areas

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Another horrible trade for the Flames by Heavy Jack.

Bennett at worst = Reinhart

Please let me know when mediocre rental player has been traded for a top 4 D on a good contract? You also feel the value favors Buffalo so we toss in a worthless Wotherspoon (who might be useful to the Flames if they move one of their only decent left shot D)

I don’t mean any offense here HJ but I see a trend with the blockbusters you propose and they seem to be really bad Flames trades

Hahahaha I don’t profess to be a good armchair gm but I have fun with it - all you propose is for other teams to take our garbage for a player you desire in Flames silks. No reason for you to come across like that bud; none at all.

Deal is contingent on Kane resigning as stated and with cap going up players like Kane are 5 to 6 mill guys. Reinhart has put up almost 50 points on a terrible Sabers team and is a righty which we need.

Bennett and Reinhart at this point are equal and with the demand Kane will command Brodie + wotherspoon probably wouldn’t get it done.

As sick of my post you seem to be I’m sick of the constant over valuing of our players - you have to trade fair , that’s what I was attempting here, but another classic hostile flyby post by Vinny - I’ve been waiting for you to respond like this and frankly couldn’t care less what you think of my proposal.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Definitely a more balanced deal as Backlund would also be a rental. Buffalo could flip him to Pitt for a 1st+. In that scenario Kane would almost certainly need to be re-signed.

I agree with your take on Reinhart I liked his game last night and he is a right shot Centre/wing.

Reading the Buffalo message boards they seem open to trading him but would want a solid D prospect as part of the return. Maybe something around Andersson or Fox + Lazar or another similar young forward for Reinhart?

Flames add right shot depth but also add a potential long term fit so sending out futures doesn’t sting as much?

At the end of the day I do not see a scenario where the Flames move one of their top 4 D before the draft. They will want to enter the playoffs with all that depth. I definitely see the Flames shopping one of their top 4 at the draft.

So I’m off by 1 player - big woop - I definitely envision a day we move one of the top 4 - it would be bad asset management not to with the likes of Andersson, Valimaki, Kulak, Fox and others pushing and projecting to be top 4 it’s easy to see at least one of them jumping up. Not saying trade top 4 today but If the deal made sense I could see it happening

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If people hate Bennett you're going to hate Reinhart hes a softer less productive Bennett who shies away from the dirty areas and seemingly seems to always be getting train tracked by big hits (maybe its just more noticeable) for a 2nd OA the only thing he's got going for him is a RHS..

At this rate, I'd maybe flip him for Lazar and hope the "change of scenery" does something but I wouldnt trade Bennett for him 1 for 1

Lol this is what I’m saying.... Lazar for Reinhart 1 for 1... my god

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Hahahaha I don’t profess to be a good armchair gm but I have fun with it - all you propose is for other teams to take our garbage for a player you desire in Flames silks. No reason for you to come across like that bud; none at all.

Deal is contingent on Kane resigning as stated and with cap going up players like Kane are 5 to 6 mill guys. Reinhart has put up almost 50 points on a terrible Sabers team and is a righty which we need.

Bennett and Reinhart at this point are equal and with the demand Kane will command Brodie + wotherspoon probably wouldn’t get it done.

As sick of my post you seem to be I’m sick of the constant over valuing of our players - you have to trade fair , that’s what I was attempting here, but another classic hostile flyby post by Vinny - I’ve been waiting for you to respond like this and frankly couldn’t care less what you think of my proposal.

I am sorry man I really didn’t want you to take offense to that post but completely understand why you did it was a harsh reply on my part.

Explain to me how Kane is worth Brodie +

I would like t know how a 40pt forward who has numerous off ice issues is worth a top 4 D with term left on his contract. Signing an extension prior to the trade doesn’t massively increase Kane’s value. The fact you don’t care about my opinion means nothing to me but I wanted to comment on your trade because I didn’t like it. I appreciate you participate in the thread and provide insights and itnis okay to disagree. I don’t have any issue with you but was hoping to get a response to why you perceive the value of Brodie to be so low when across the league top 4 D have carried far more value in trades recently. Especially considering Brodie is a prototypical Dman in today’s league due to his elite skating.

Again sorry you took so much offense to my post and that is on me. I didn’t agree with your take and decided to dispute it. I almost certainly over value our players in trades and you overvalue other teams players. The truth is somewhere in the middle