Naked swimming event coming to Calgary wave pool

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wasn't talking about you...as I explained earlier

The group itself is responding to all ages criticism by lecturing the public about nudity and sexuality. Yet they are (or were at least) using sexual imaging to promote their events.


"Mistake by someone who didn't know how to use facebook" come on now that is a Trump excuse

You’re still going to have to prove that claim to keep making it. What did the photo look like? You saw it.

[Fuzz]

Maybe churches should be 18+ too.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe churches should be 18+ too.

And grocery stores. And shopping malls. And schools. And day care. And anything where we can’t know if a child has consented to being there.

Won’t somebody think of the poor little angels

[Joborule]

Jobs too. Have to be 18 years of age to work.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It blows my mind that people here are choosing the "naked kids should 100% be around naked adults" as their hill to die on. Super weird.

Nobody is though. I find the “kids shouldn’t be there cause of the pedophiles who will show up to look at them and take photos to sell on he internet” argument to be really silly.

[photon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Mistake by someone who didn't know how to use facebook" come on now that is a Trump excuse

More likely than an group that's been around and promoting their events for many years being some kind of organization intentionally promoting the sexualization of kids for some unknown reason.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Nobody is though. I find the “kids shouldn’t be there cause of the pedophiles who will show up to look at them and take photos to sell on he internet” argument to be really silly.

You've got contrarians like PepsiFree claiming that grocery stores are the same thing as 10 year old girls having to line up naked for water slides with old naked men. I can't comment on the pedophile argument since I didn't make it but it just seems weird that people would defend to nth degree the right to be naked around children.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

You've got contrarians like PepsiFree claiming that grocery stores are the same thing as 10 year old girls having to line up naked for water slides with old naked men. I can't comment on the pedophile argument since I didn't make it but it just seems weird that people would defend to nth degree the right to be naked around children.

It seems weird that you think there something sinister or sexual about naked people of any age going down a water slide.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wasn't talking about you...as I explained earlier

The group itself is responding to all ages criticism by lecturing the public about nudity and sexuality. Yet they are (or were at least) using sexual imaging to promote their events.


"Mistake by someone who didn't know how to use facebook" come on now that is a Trump excuse

The image in question is probably PG13, and it’s not an event by the same group as the swimming. One group just shared the post of the other, because they might interest many of the same group of people.

Is the other group using a little bit of sexuality to promote their event - sure. But the swimming hasn’t been promoted with any sexual imagery.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It seems weird that you think there something sinister or sexual about naked people of any age going down a water slide.

It's not the waterslide, though. It seems to be that some folks just feel that naked, period, no matter what, is bad.

I feel sorry for those folks, that's a really narrow and limiting point of view.

I'd much, much rather my children (if I had any) look at a naked body in a non-sexual manner, instead of watching someone getting shot or beaten. But guess which one society is OK with.

Ridiculous.

Naked =/= sexual. And far too many people in North America can't understand that.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It seems weird that you think there something sinister or sexual about naked people of any age going down a water slide.

I don't. There's nothing wrong with adults showing up to this and having a good time. My issue is when nudist parents drag their children to these events as I've already outlined, and your response was that ridiculous comparison between this event and grocery stores.

[zamler]

Some of the posts here are downright bizarre.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by zamler

Some of the posts here are downright bizarre.

Remember, if you present an extreme, strawman position that nobody is actually making, and then passionately argue the opposite, then you must certainly be right. Because the 180 degree opposite of a really dumb belief is a true and good belief.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I don't. There's nothing wrong with adults showing up to this and having a good time. My issue is when nudist parents drag their children to these events as I've already outlined, and your response was that ridiculous comparison between this event and grocery stores.

My point was that it was nonsense, as outlined by the ridiculous comparisons. Parents drag kids to things all of the time, who cares?

[Robbob]

The reason I didn't have an issue with it is I figured the vast majority of the tickets used by the group of people that frequent and are comfortable with all this. A much smaller portion would be made available to the public who may be curious enough to join. Chances are those not of the same mind set that show up will be there for five minutes before they bail.

[OMG!WTF!]

Everyone knows where this is going so we might as well just get on with it....the first thing Hitler did while consolidating power in Europe was take away the right of the people to own guns. The second...banned nudist clubs.

I'll take my Godwin now.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

It's not the waterslide, though. It seems to be that some folks just feel that naked, period, no matter what, is bad.

I feel sorry for those folks, that's a really narrow and limiting point of view.

I'd much, much rather my children (if I had any) look at a naked body in a non-sexual manner, instead of watching someone getting shot or beaten. But guess which one society is OK with.

Ridiculous.

Naked =/= sexual. And far too many people in North America can't understand that.

wow, you took every word out of my mouth with this post. I can't stop laughing at this thread.

I would never attend this kind of event but I have zero issue with those who want too do this sort of thing. Seriously, why does anyone have an issue with this kind of event?

I've lived in Europe. I am a Canadian, born and raised in Alberta. Watching people die in movies is much more acceptable than seeing a naked body, which is ridiculous. It is sad. I saw x-rated yoghurt commercials when I lived in Europe, naked butts running into the ocean, female, male, kids, seniors, didn't matter, that was a normal tv commercial. No way, ever that kind of thing would be on tv as a commercial, let alone a Hollywood movie on tv. So weird.

Naked wave pool rentals is fine by me, I won't participate but who cares. Don't go that day.

[foshizzle11]

One more thing, a simple spa in Germany that had areas were men and women would go into a steam room together naked. It is normal, something that isn't so bad. Are we too worried here? I am not sure.

[CliffFletcher]

This thread might be the worst case of straw-manning and talking past each other that I've ever seen on this forum. And that's saying something.

Nobody in this thread has said nudity is shameful. Not one.

Nobody has said consenting adults shouldn't be able to swim, take steam baths, and hang out in hot tubs naked together. Not one.

The only concerns expressed here are over the inclusion of children in an event without any vetting of participants*, and whether children are capable of freely giving consent to participating in this kind of activity, when their vulnerability to parental pressure makes any consent questionable.

So anyone looking for a genuine discussion should address those issues. Taking wild swings at straw-men isn't as sophisticated as many here seem to feel it is.

* Nudists themselves recognize their activities are vulnerable to dubious participants. Which is why they typically have quite strict regulations around joining. Prospective participants are often vetted beforehand. Many clubs and spas accept only couples, or single people sponsored by couples who are members. They take these precautions for a reason.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The only concerns expressed here are over the inclusion of children in an event without any vetting of participants*

How would you vet participants, criminal background checks for nudist groups?

are children are capable of freely giving consent to participating in this kind of activity

By fact that they are children they cannot, until 18 years of age it is the parents who choose for their children. I can't imagine a parent forcing a kid who doesn't want to go to a nudist event.

* Nudists themselves recognize their activities are vulnerable to dubious participants. Which is why they typically have quite strict regulations around joining. Prospective participants are often vetted beforehand. Many clubs and spas accept only couples, or single people sponsored by couples who are members. They take these precautions for a reason.

I guess that is the norm in the US and Canada, but certainly it is not here in Europe. This is why so many people keep harping on the prudish angle of this because it seems at the core of people's negative response to this is the long standing puritanical past of the US and Canada, the shame of nudity and sexuality.

We still have here in Iceland some pools where changing rooms are co-ed, all our public pools have a must shower first policy where staff are in the area of the showers to ensure everyone washes themselves, its common for kids as old as 5 years old or more to go with whichever parent they are with in to their change room.

I even had a guest here from Texas who saw what looked to be a 3 or 4yr girl walk in with her father and he actually said to the kid, oh you are in the wrong change room. I couldn't believe that.

Every single nudist group would spot and remove anyone who was not there for genuine reasons, these are often very tight nit groups and the Helen Lovejoys of this thread are really at the root of their beliefs concerned that around every corner is a pedophile and being nude around children is weird.

Being nude around children is not weird.