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Old 01-04-2018, 10:32 AM   #5221
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Premature to say it failed. He acquired a guy that will be part of this team for many years.
He said "so far" it's failed, which sounds accurate to me.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:33 AM   #5222
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As a UFA after July 1, he may get more and likely will. But I disagree as do many others, $5.5-$6m/ season is what a perennial 45-55 pt guy is worth right now in the NHL. Remember, he’s only broken 20 goals twice in his career, and is behind on his pace over the last 2 years in a contract year. I love Backs too but let’s get real here on what he is worth league wide, not to a few Flames fans.
That's a complete undersell job of what Backlund actually does for this team and you know it.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:34 AM   #5223
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That's a complete undersell job of what Backlund actually does for this team and you know it.
I’m taking off my homer glasses. Not saying you’re being a homer.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:44 AM   #5224
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I think both the Kings and Ducks are good largely because of their tending and D. Getzlaf and Perry are great players, but the reason they are able to withstand injuries is because of the terrific blueline they've assembled.
But I do think there is more than one way to build a team. You just gotta pick your approach and execute it well.
That may be part of it... but then again, they suffered a bunch of injuries on their blue line as well.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...043122018.html

There are 3 players on that team that managed to stay healthy all season thus far (41 games played).

Fowler and Lindholm missed 10+ games each. Manson has been healthy (and is great), with Montour only missing 2 games so far. Bieksa and Beauchemin have the 3rd and 4th most games played on D for that club.

It is a testament I think to the coaching of that team to be able to insert guys throughout that lineup and keep their heads above water. It is especially impressive considering who exactly they have lost this season so far (defencemen, #1 center, #2 center, etc.)

Compare that with Calgary who have been really healthy. 4 out of the top 5 D have played all 39 games. 9 players have played all 39 games. Ferland missed a game, Tkachuk missed two with that suspension, Frolik has now missed two, Hamonic has missed four. Most of the games missed were guys rotating in and out of the lineup, with the exception of Frolik now, and Versteeg and Jagr.

That's really healthy, yet behind Anaheim. How Anaheim is 4 pts up on the Flames (but the Flames hold 2 games in hand) speaks to both teams I think.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:46 AM   #5225
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I’m taking off my homer glasses. Not saying you’re being a homer.
Then what are you saying?

Any other centre taking the assignments, QoC, and zone starts that Backlund takes on the Flames would be pummeled.

Backlund makes the life of every player on this team easier.
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$5.5 million AAV for Backlund over any term is absolutely a discount.


Agreed. TJ Oshie got 5.75M per for 8(!) years. Backlund > Oshie.

I feel like people are ignoring what the market shows, as well as the growing cap.

The only way I see Backlund signing for 5.5, is for a deal that takes him to age 36 or 37, and I just don’t think that’s wise.

Shorter term, higher dollar, or trade him and recoup picks.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:14 PM   #5227
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Asking price for Duclair per Dreger

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-...ks-heating-up/

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“But yesterday I was told it was heating up, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Duclair gets traded – I can’t say in the next couple of days, but I would say that he could be traded within the week.”
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:41 PM   #5228
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Asking price for Duclair per Dreger

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-...ks-heating-up/
Curtis Lazar...?
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:47 PM   #5229
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Speculating on Fan 960 right now that Jagr could be done in the NHL
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:49 PM   #5230
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Brouwer has underachiever and he's in the age range of 20-40. just make up some fancy stats about him and hope for the best
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:50 PM   #5231
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A players true worth is what he is worth as a UFA when more than one team can bid on his services.

That's the very nature of FMV.

The fact that he may "accept" to stay in his current situation doesn't change the fact that he is accepting less than his true worth.

In fact, due to an artificial salary cap, many players are actually paid less than their true worth in a free economic situation.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:51 PM   #5232
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Thinking about Jagr retiring just makes me sad. It may be for the best from some perspectives, but as a fan, I just feel disappointed.
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Thinking about Jagr retiring just makes me sad. It may be for the best from some perspectives, but as a fan, I just feel disappointed.
I just want him to score 1 highlight type goal in a home red Flames jersey.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:59 PM   #5234
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I just want him to score 1 highlight type goal in a home red Flames jersey.
This one wasn't bad.

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Old 01-04-2018, 04:16 PM   #5235
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As much as it sucks to think about Jagr being done, it is a worrying pattern that he seems to play for a couple of games, looks gassed after most of his shifts, and then takes a bunch of time off. The motor is clearly sucking fumes at this point.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:20 PM   #5236
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Why put Hamilton on waivers if Jagr is going to retire the next day?

In all likelihood they could have recalled Hrivik tomorrow after Jagr retires no?

Why lose an asset for nothing if Jagr was going to open up a roster spot?

I'm not saying it won't happen it just makes one wonder... Even if he's put on IR to rehab his groin it would still open a spot so the whole thing is puzzling unless more is going on that we are unaware of at the moment..
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:20 PM   #5237
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Do people consider Hamilton an asset? I don't want to be harsh but frankly I view his open contract spot having more value than the player himself.
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Why put Hamilton on waivers if Jagr is going to retire the next day?

In all likelihood they could have recalled Hrivik tomorrow after Jagr retires no?

Why lose an asset for nothing if Jagr was going to open up a roster spot?

I'm not saying it won't happen it just makes one wonder... Even if he's put on IR to rehab his groin it would still open a spot so the whole thing is puzzling unless more is going on that we are unaware of at the moment..
Hopefully Klimchuk
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:24 PM   #5239
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Do people consider Hamilton an asset? I don't want to be harsh but frankly I view his open contract spot having more value than the player himself.
Agreed. How is losing Hamilton a loss in any way?

With him gone, and if Jagr does retire, I just see that as opportunities on the roster (though I don't want to see Jagr retire).
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:27 PM   #5240
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They need bodies badly in Stockton. Jankowski, Mangipane, Hathaway, Hrivik up in Calgary. That is the Heat's top 2 centers and top 2 wingers.

F. Hamilton is a 20 goal scorer 45ish point player in the AHL. They really could have used him in Stockton.

Despite some of the conspiracy theories, I do really think the Flames wanted Freddie down in Stockton to help the farm team to help offset the loses.
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