[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Split98

I wouldn't be surprised if Rittich has been generating a few calls from Ottawa lately

I hope not. He has played well and we need solid goaltending

[memphusk]

If Calgary makes a swap with Ottawa it would be foolish. Anyone other than Karlsson would come here and #### the bed. It would be like trading with Toronto all over again.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I hope not. He has played well and we need solid goaltending

Of course, and I couldn't agree more.

But we have Smith, Gillies and Parsons. While the latter two have not shown anything of what Rittich has, if a desperate Ottawa is willing to bet the farm that solid goaltending solves their woes it's a position of strength we can ask for the moon for.

Very rare the Flames find themselves in this position.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by memphusk

If Calgary makes a swap with Ottawa it would be foolish. Anyone other than Karlsson would come here and #### the bed. It would be like trading with Toronto all over again.

You don't think Stone or Hoffman at the real deal?

[Samonadreau]

I think Rittich is worth more to the Flamesright now than he would return on the open market. Guy is still an unknown league wide but probably has proven a lot within the organization. For what what you would get for him we are better off holding on to him and having an actual top tier tandem. Gillies and Parsons need more polishing before they are ready for the big show.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think Rittich is worth more to the Flamesright now than he would return on the open market. Guy is still an unknown league wide but probably has proven a lot within the organization. For what what you would get for him we are better off holding on to him and having an actual top tier tandem. Gillies and Parsons need more polishing before they are ready for the big show.

I definitely wouldn't trade him for anything more than an overpayment.

I look at Ottawa, a team who rode Hamburglar through the playoffs, who are in desperate need of turning their season around and hope that Treliving is at least listening.

[dino7c]

Sens are so far out of it...I highly doubt they are desperate to turn their season around

[Split98]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sens are so far out of it...I highly doubt they are desperate to turn their season around

While them doing anything huge is likely to look silly in hindsight, we're not halfway through the season yet.

2 games in hand and they're tied with Montreal - who absolutely haven't written their season off.

Jerseys are hitting the ice there, and I'll bet that team is desperate to at least make a run for it to turn the narrative around.

Not saying it should happen, or that I want Rittich traded - or even that he's at best value. Just that I wouldn't be surprised if there's some calls.

[Roof-Daddy]

Not that I want to trade Hamilton, but something around Hamilton and Mark Stone would sure give the forward group a kick in the junk I would think.


Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland
Mangiapane - Lazar - Hathaway

Giordano - Hamonic
Brodie - Stone
Kulak - Prout/Andersson

Smith
Rittich

[Poe969]

The only way I trade Hamilton is if a team takes Brouwer with him and still pays good value

[kukkudo]

These next few days are going to be interesting. Hopefully Brouwer and Stajan are waived to start.

[gunnner]

We are kind of in the same position Winnipeg was last year. People calling for the coaches head, shake up the core, etc.....Obviously Chevy is the extreme end of staying the course and he didnt foolishly trade away a unprotected first, but the Jets seem to have made the right move but doing what they do best and not make a move. I hope the Flames core gets another year.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by gunnner

We are kind of in the same position Winnipeg was last year. People calling for the coaches head, shake up the core, etc.....Obviously Chevy is the extreme end of staying the course and he didnt foolishly trade away a unprotected first, but the Jets seem to have made the right move but doing what they do best and not make a move. I hope the Flames core gets another year.

We aren’t in Winnipeg’s situation at all. Winnipeg has a boatload Of high-end young talent. Some were picked them to win the cup last year well ahead of schedule but they struggled because they played in the best division in hockey without a goalie capable of stopping a beach ball. People were rightly angered at their GM for not fixing the goaltending situation and quite frankly he lucked out this year with Hellybuck developing ahead of schedule as Mason was ####ting the bed in between the pipes to start the year.

We on the other end are supposed to be ready to win now, but Our high prices d core is mediocre at best, our offence needs 6 points from the top line to
Win, and despite getting good goaltending this year we are still a playoff bubble team. In two years time we may be talking about another rebuild if things continue as is.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

We aren’t in Winnipeg’s situation at all. Winnipeg has a boatload Of high-end young talent. Some were picked them to win the cup last year well ahead of schedule but they struggled because they played in the best division in hockey without a goalie capable of stopping a beach ball. People were rightly angered at their GM for not fixing the goaltending situation and quite frankly he lucked out this year with Hellybuck developing ahead of schedule as Mason was ####ting the bed in between the pipes to start the year.

We on the other end are supposed to be ready to win now, but Our high prices d core is mediocre at best, our offence needs 6 points from the top line to
Win, and despite getting good goaltending this year we are still a playoff bubble team. In two years time we may be talking about another rebuild if things continue as is.

Really the Jets are kind of fortunate because Mason was a terrible signing and if they had to ride him they would be closer to the Flames than the top of the conference. Jets have much more skill in their forward group than the Flames. They have underachieved for so long under Maurice but if you give any coach 5+ years chances are there will be a season where the stars align and the bounced go your way like in Edmonton last season. I don't think the Flames are in a position where they can be happy getting one playoff birth out of five years of the same head coach like the Jets.

[442scotty]

I would definitely trade Hamilton or Brodie for Stone straight up but that’s all I would do with Ottawa. Reunite Stone with Ferland though it’s been a few years since they played together

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

We aren’t in Winnipeg’s situation at all. Winnipeg has a boatload Of high-end young talent. Some were picked them to win the cup last year well ahead of schedule but they struggled because they played in the best division in hockey without a goalie capable of stopping a beach ball. People were rightly angered at their GM for not fixing the goaltending situation and quite frankly he lucked out this year with Hellybuck developing ahead of schedule as Mason was ####ting the bed in between the pipes to start the year.

We on the other end are supposed to be ready to win now, but Our high prices d core is mediocre at best, our offence needs 6 points from the top line to
Win, and despite getting good goaltending this year we are still a playoff bubble team. In two years time we may be talking about another rebuild if things continue as is.

In two years time this team will be, at the very least, retooling the entire Dcore no matter what. (and that's if it doesn't happen even sooner because they continue to fail to reach expectations)

Brodie, Hamonic and Stone will all be 29/30 and pending UFA's at that time. Gio will be going into his 37 year old season with two years left on his deal, and if another lockout happens complete with compliance buy outs I could easily see his contract bought out with one at that point.

Good news is that the forward core is mostly very young, and Bennett/Janko look like they might even be a part of it. Plus we have several fairly decent young D prospects in the pipeline to hopefully help the re-tooling of the D, and most of them should be pretty much NHL ready at that point if they are for real.

We should also have an answer by then whether or not one of Rittich, Gillies or Parsons can handle the starter role going forward.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In two years time this team will be, at the very least, retooling the entire Dcore no matter what. (and that's if it doesn't happen even sooner because they continue to fail to reach expectations)

Brodie, Hamonic and Stone will all be 29/30 and pending UFA's at that time. Gio will be going into his 37 year old season with two years left on his deal, and if another lockout happens complete with compliance buy outs I could easily see his contract bought out with one at that point.

Good news is that the forward core is mostly very young, and Bennett/Janko look like they might even be a part of it. Plus we have several fairly decent young D prospects in the pipeline to hopefully help the re-tooling of the D, and most of them should be pretty much NHL ready at that point if they are for real.

We should also have an answer by then whether or not one of Rittich, Gillies or Parsons can handle the starter role going forward.

I think that's the issue right there in that the team needs to be competing now for the Cup while that defense is together. There are two more years left in this window before the Flames desperately will need two defenders to advance from their prospect base or the team will take a big step back.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In two years time this team will be, at the very least, retooling the entire Dcore no matter what. (and that's if it doesn't happen even sooner because they continue to fail to reach expectations)

Brodie, Hamonic and Stone will all be 29/30 and pending UFA's at that time. Gio will be going into his 37 year old season with two years left on his deal, and if another lockout happens complete with compliance buy outs I could easily see his contract bought out with one at that point.

Good news is that the forward core is mostly very young, and Bennett/Janko look like they might even be a part of it. Plus we have several fairly decent young D prospects in the pipeline to hopefully help the re-tooling of the D, and most of them should be pretty much NHL ready at that point if they are for real.

We should also have an answer by then whether or not one of Rittich, Gillies or Parsons can handle the starter role going forward.

I’m not sold on our forward group. Good depth, but we are still missing that high end skill outside of Gaudreau and I’m not sure where it will come from given we have no draft picks or cap room to acquire it.

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by Split98

Of course, and I couldn't agree more.

But we have Smith, Gillies and Parsons. While the latter two have not shown anything of what Rittich has, if a desperate Ottawa is willing to bet the farm that solid goaltending solves their woes it's a position of strength we can ask for the moon for.

Very rare the Flames find themselves in this position.

For real? Where is that "If only we had a solid goaltening ever since Kipper left". Now there is a glimpse of a real steal, noname guy from Europe came for no cost and took the backup job with reliable perfomances, so lets trade him straight away, so we can cry the next decade for a quality goaltender, as we are used to.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

For real? Where is that "If only we had a solid goaltening ever since Kipper left". Now there is a glimpse of a real steal, noname guy from Europe came for no cost and took the backup job with reliable perfomances, so lets trade him straight away, so we can cry the next decade for a quality goaltender, as we are used to.

Which is exactly why Gillies isn’t available either. You don’t start tossing away players at a critical position you’ve been trying to fill for years. Un,ess ghere is a trade demand somewhere a,one the line, you sit on those goaltenders and expect one of them to turn into a starter. Mike Smith will not be here after his contract is up, so another puck stopper is a requirement in the next 18 months.