2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Brodie is greatly overrated by flames fans. He was good that one or so seasons when he was paired with Giordano during the Hartley years. He's been pretty average since then.

He's not very good offensively as he is literally scared to even think about shooting the puck. He's weak defensively. Outside of being a good skater when he wants to, there's not a strong quality you can bank on getting out of him on a night in and night out basis.

I don't expect him to be traded this deadline, but would be shocked if he isn't this offseason. I also think, many here will be disappointed with the return.

Well he's significantly better than Hamonic, so if he doesn't get more than Hamonic, we essentially traded Brodie for him while downgrading picks.

Which is beyond a fireable offense.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well he's significantly better than Hamonic, so if he doesn't get more than Hamonic, we essentially traded Brodie for him while downgrading picks.

Which is beyond a fireable offense.

GM makes a bad trade and it's beyond a fireable offence?

A GM is judged on a multitude of factors and owners who fire a GM based on one bad trade will have trouble hiring anyone decent.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

GM makes a bad trade and it's beyond a fireable offence?

A GM is judged on a multitude of factors and owners who fire a GM based on one bad trade will have trouble hiring anyone decent.

The idea would be that he made the team weaker at a time they need to compete, while downgrading picks.

If Treliving doesn't realize that Brodie is significantly better than Hamonic (and I'm not saying he doesn't), he should be nowhere near an NHL team.

[bubbsy]

Man, just was reminded that the Sens don't have their 1st round pick this year.

Losing the turris/Duchene trade, losing Karlsson soon, and being a lottery puck where Dahlin is a real probability....

Being a flames fan isn't easy, but the sens have it real bad. Compound that with where the leafs are trending and it's gotta be down right depressing.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Man, just was reminded that the Sens don't have their 1st round pick this year.

Losing the turris/Duchene trade, losing Karlsson soon, and being a lottery puck where Dahlin is a real probability....

Being a flames fan isn't easy, but the sens have it real bad. Compound that with where the leafs are trending and it's gotta be down right depressing.

The Sens have a choice to send their 2019 pick if the 2018 pick ends up being top 10.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The Sens have a choice to send their 2019 pick if the 2018 pick ends up being top 10.

Wow I didn't know that. Smart move by the Sens.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well he's significantly better than Hamonic, so if he doesn't get more than Hamonic, we essentially traded Brodie for him while downgrading picks.

Which is beyond a fireable offense.

Honestly this isn’t as clear as you think it is at this point.

Brodie has been average for most of 2 seasons now and hasn’t looked as good away from Giordano.

Hamonic is similar in that he looked bad last year but has improved this year after a shaky start.

They are pretty similar at his point IMO. Brodie is a better puck mover, Hamonic is a bit better in his own end but neither are playing has good as they have in the past.

[Poe969]

If the Flames try to improve through trade, they have to trade from their strength which is the back end. They won't trade Gio, Hamilton IMO is too good to trade, they just got Hamonic so trading him would look bad, they just signed Stone so I can't see them trading him either. That leaves Brodie. If BT can improve the team, I don't care who they trade but trading Brodie makes the most sense IMO. Unless someone makes an amazing offer for Hamilton or Stone, I see Brodie as the best possible move from the back end.

Up front is different I guess. There really aren't too many options; Johnny, Monahan, Bennett, Janko, Tkachuck are the only ones I see as untouchable. The team has a hard decision to make with Backlund, if he prices himself too high he may be on his way out so they may want to get whatever they can for him. Frolik is a great utility player who does most everything well and trading him would create a hole the team doesn't have a solution too. Ferland should hold some value but he's pretty inconsistent so who knows what value he has around the league. They won't trade Jagr. Brouwer, Stajan and Familton don't really have any value and I don't think they want to trade Lazar yet.

BT can't trade away any more picks at this point, if anything he needs to recoup some. Prospects may be an option but with not many picks for the next while they need to keep their prospects.

The only real moves I think the Flames have at this point are Brodie and Ferland and maybe a prospect but trading them creates holes in the roster. At this point I think the team we have now is the team we're going to see for the rest of the year. As much as I'd love to see them make a trade or two I don't think it's an option.

[Vinny01]

If GG is hell bent on his left-right shot pairs then there is no way Brodie is the guy you move. Kulak is fine but no where near a top 4 Dman and then on top of that Gio is 35 next year. While I think Valimaki is close I believe Andersson (right shot) is closer.

I truly feel if the Flames want a major impact player coming in return for one of our D that Hamilton is thebpiece they should be dangling. A 24 year old, 6’5, right shot, smooth skating Dman on a good contract is one of the most desirable assets in the league.

I think about the Hall for Larson trade and if the Flames can get a better player than Taylor Hall for Dougie that would be a trade worth exploring.

[Vinny01]

Double post

[sureLoss]

Friedman speculating Flames might have interest in Duclair with Don Maloney's familiarity with him.

Says it wouldn't be a big gamble because he can't imagine the price is high.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well he's significantly better than Hamonic, so if he doesn't get more than Hamonic, we essentially traded Brodie for him while downgrading picks.

Which is beyond a fireable offense.

In no universe is Brodie better than Hamonic let alone significantly better. I don't care how well he skates, his decision making is poor and he is a liability in his own end. Hamonic is better in every way except skating. I don't want to hear what Brodie did when paired with Gio, I don't care what he did three years ago, he is no good now. I am fully on board with moving TJ for help on RW.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman speculating Flames might have interest in Duclair with Don Maloney's familiarity with him.

Says it wouldn't be a big gamble because he can't imagine the price is high.

Sure but where does he play and what is the price?

Lazar for Duclair? Shinkaruk/Poirier/Klimchuk?

[Machiavelli]

He can play on either wing, but I'm not interested and I hope the Flames aren't either

[ComixZone]

I'd happily package one or two of our forward prospects for Duclair - or something like McDonald + Shinkaruk. He's worth a shot, but we're also already filled up at the NHL level so hard to think who would leave the NHL roster unless Stajan or Brouwer (somehow...) is involved.

I don't want to trade Lazar. I want to see that kid as a mainstay on the 4th line next year when Stajan and Brouwer (buyout?) are gone. I think he'll develop into a good bottom 6 forward. He's got the hustle, but just needs development time and some good line mates to play with. I believe patience will pay off in Lazar's case.

[Vinny01]

I think the Flames will not buyout Brouwer until next summer when the cap penalitynis only 2 years as opposed to 4 years. They also are not cap crunched at all this summer but next summer has new deals required for Tkachuk, Bennett, Ferland, number 1 Goalie.

[keenan87]

Off-Season Moves:
TJ Brodie for Mitch Marner

2018-2019 Calgary Flames:
Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
Bennett-Jankowski-Marner
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Mangiapane-Lazar-Hathaway
Brouwer

Giordano-Hamilton
Hamonic-Stone
Andersson-Kulak
Wotherspoon

Smith
Rittich (50/50 split in games)

[Vinny01]

No way Toronto trades Marner for Brodie. Dougie maybe but no chance they move him for Brodie.

[Toonage]

Not that I want to see it happen but Toronto is the perfect landing spot for the Hamiltons. Freddie can be demoted and stay in the city with Dougie

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The Sens have a choice to send their 2019 pick if the 2018 pick ends up being top 10.

Friedman made a good point this morning. The Sens pick this year is sure to be top 5 so makes sense to defer. Though if the Sens are serious in going scorched earth rebuild, then next year's pick could be even higher.

Ugly, ugly position for them to be in.

Sens are a prime example of not bottoming out to build a roster leaving them with a highly mediocre team. In the last 15 years or so, the highest they have ever picked is 6th and that was once (zinjenebad or whatever).