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Old 12-04-2017, 11:04 PM   #1881
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Treliving is a damn good GM. But no GM is infallible. The coaching hire was a disaster and there’s no denying it. He needs to swallow his pride and do what is necessary.
Really starting to question him being anything more than an average GM. He throws away high draft picks like crazy, and has put all his eggs in one basket in the high-priced D core he has built which continues to underachieve. There was tons of available coaches two years ago as well, and he hand-picked Gulutzan. That can’t be overlooked. His moves have this team in win now mode and we’ll be lucky to make the playoffs.
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We also talked about potential coaching changes and I'm hearing now that tonight could be Glen Gulutzan's last game in charge of the #Flames. However, I've heard three different names as possible replacements: Darryl Sutter, Dave Tippett and Ryan Huska. Speculate away. #NHL #THW

Huge huge grain of salt but rumors none the less.
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I don't know if Larry Fisher has ever had any sources. Seems like he's just looking for people to watch the podcast.
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Treliving is a damn good GM. But no GM is infallible. The coaching hire was a disaster and there’s no denying it. He needs to swallow his pride and do what is necessary.
Why is he a damn good GM?

Honest question. He has traded a ton of picks, to assemble a win now team that is no where near a contender.

I guess he won some on paper trades that fans likes.

The same fans that thought McFee was a joke with his expansion team strategy.......
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Why is he a damn good GM?

Honest question. He has traded a ton of picks, to assemble a win now team that is no where near a contender.

I guess he won some on paper trades that fans likes.

The same fans that thought McFee was a joke with his expansion team strategy.......
He also has had some major wins on contracts like Monahan, Gaudreau, Dougie, Frolik, Giordano.

Every GM has their warts. He also managed to get some great value on guys like Hudler, Berra, and Glencross and turned those guys into some good prospects
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If you actually go to the tweet, it is retweeting a podcast from THW

https://twitter.com/LarryFisher_KDC/...01456174092288
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:09 PM   #1888
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He also has had some major wins on contracts like Monahan, Gaudreau, Dougie, Frolik, Giordano.

Every GM has their warts. He also managed to get some great value on guys like Hudler, Berra, and Glencross and turned those guys into some good prospects
sounds increasingly like Darryl's tenure as GM
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He also has had some major wins on contracts like Monahan, Gaudreau, Dougie, Frolik, Giordano.

Every GM has their warts. He also managed to get some great value on guys like Hudler, Berra, and Glencross and turned those guys into some good prospects


Deadline and draft days.

Tell me one mid-season move he's made to address a weakness on the team?
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sounds increasingly like Darryl's tenure as GM
We can't expect perfection from everyone. Sutter left the prospect cupboard dry. There was nothing when he left. He wasn't a good GM post-lockout
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Deadline and draft days.

Tell me one mid-season move he's made to address a weakness on the team?
I would argue adding Michael Stone last year solidified our defense and helped us make the playoffs
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We also talked about potential coaching changes and I'm hearing now that tonight could be Glen Gulutzan's last game in charge of the #Flames. However, I've heard three different names as possible replacements: Darryl Sutter, Dave Tippett and Ryan Huska. Speculate away. #NHL #THW

Huge huge grain of salt but rumors none the less.
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He also has had some major wins on contracts like Monahan, Gaudreau, Dougie, Frolik, Giordano.

Every GM has their warts. He also managed to get some great value on guys like Hudler, Berra, and Glencross and turned those guys into some good prospects
Great contracts are nice but they don’t win championships.
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Dave Tippett? Mother of God, no...

people think it's boring now? Just wait for Dave Tippett...
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He also has had some major wins on contracts like Monahan, Gaudreau, Dougie, Frolik, Giordano.

Every GM has their warts. He also managed to get some great value on guys like Hudler, Berra, and Glencross and turned those guys into some good prospects
So everyone of our best players signs contracts under market value and leads the team to a borderline playoff spot.... At best...

We should be so lucky
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:14 PM   #1896
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Great contracts are nice but they don’t win championships.
Its part of the recipe
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:16 PM   #1897
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Treliving is a damn good GM.
No, he's an average NHL GM, which is damning praise because NHL GMs are generally pretty bad. This is the same guy who:

Generally waffles between wanting a fast team and a big gritty team, and ends up with a team that's holistically neither

Signed Ramo to 3.8M to be a backup and then waived him after like, one bad game.

Has stuck by Jordan Sigalet through annual meltdowns by Hiller, Johnson, Elliott now Lack and probably eventually Smith

2nd (Jordan Kyrou) for a goalie rental (Elliott)

Engelland for 2.9 x 3

Stone for 3.5 x 3

3rd liner (and eventually waived/bought out) Mason Raymond for 3.0 x 3

4th liner (and eventually bought out) Bouma for 2.2 x 3

Waived Paul Byron, essentially for being injured.

Gambled on Jankowski signing out of college, even though Jankowski could easily have gone UFA

Lowballed Ferland to a bridge deal despite that expiring the same time as Tkachuk

Lowballed Gaudreau to a six year term when eight years were obvous

Did not waive Joe Colborne, despite him being the obviously worse player the same preseason

Signed Troy Brouwer for 4.5 x 4 despite all the evidence that Brouwer was a passenger who took advantage of being overused on special teams and a hot playoffs with perfect linemates

Traded for Travis Hamonic using an unprotected 1st + two 2nds after Travis Hamonic was one of the least effective defensemen in the NHL last year

Traded a 2nd round pick for Curtis Lazar

Fired Bob Hartley when most of the fanbase, even people who err on the side of corsi, were not ready to fire Bob Hartley

Brings in a players' coach for a young team that had the Superbowl debacle the year prior

Hired the assistant of the coach who Hartley humiliated in the playoffs to be our new head coach

Hired the coach of the 2016 NHL's worst special teams to run our power play

Traded a third round pick for Brandon Bollig

Signed Tanner Glass

Signed Nick Grossmann

Did not waive Matt Bartkowski after expansion was done with
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No, he's an average NHL GM, which is damning praise because NHL GMs are generally pretty bad. This is the same guy who:

Generally waffles between wanting a fast team and a big gritty team, and ends up with a team that's holistically neither

Signed Ramo to 3.8M to be a backup and then waived him after like, one bad game.

Has stuck by Jordan Sigalet through annual meltdowns by Hiller, Johnson, Elliott now Lack and probably eventually Smith

2nd (Jordan Kyrou) for a goalie rental (Elliott)

Engelland for 2.9 x 3

Stone for 3.5 x 3

3rd liner (and eventually waived/bought out) Mason Raymond for 3.0 x 3

4th liner (and eventually bought out) Bouma for 2.2 x 3

Waived Paul Byron, essentially for being injured.

Gambled on Jankowski signing out of college, even though Jankowski could easily have gone UFA

Lowballed Ferland to a bridge deal despite that expiring the same time as Tkachuk

Lowballed Gaudreau to a six year term when eight years were obvous

Did not waive Joe Colborne, despite him being the obviously worse player the same preseason

Signed Troy Brouwer for 4.5 x 4 despite all the evidence that Brouwer was a passenger who took advantage of being overused on special teams and a hot playoffs with perfect linemates

Traded for Travis Hamonic using an unprotected 1st + two 2nds after Travis Hamonic was one of the least effective defensemen in the NHL last year
Traded a 2nd round pick for Curtis Lazar

Fired Bob Hartley when most of the fanbase, even people who err on the side of corsi, were not ready to fire Bob Hartley

Brings in a players' coach for a young team that had the Superbowl debacle the year prior

Hired the assistant of the coach who Hartley humiliated in the playoffs to be our new head coach

Hired the coach of the 2016 NHL's worst special teams to run our power play
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Its part of the recipe
Is it? I think the recipe is good plugs not getting no-gst on some top players. Our plugs are no good, Gaudreau can’t do it all even on a good contract.
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good to have great players on great contracts, but nullified / neutralized when you have bad players on bad contracts like Stajan or Brouwer. Not like there's this huge amount of capspace to go get good secondary scoring or support players...
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