The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

Larry Fisher

Fischy13

We're on to you man.

[tvp2003]

I'm holding on to the hope/belief that Treliving's ego doesn't prevent him from admitting his mistakes.

Until then, Gulutzan has shown no accountability or responsibility for the garbage we're currently seeing on the ice. It's one thing to be positive and encouraging, it's another to be completely tone deaf.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Now that I am firmly in Fire him camp, who do we see replacing him. Cameron interim and then?

No way...Conroy or Gelinas or Burke.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Larry Fisher credible?? His Twitter Saying this was possibly GG last game as coach. Hearing Sutter, Huska and tippet as possible replacement.

Are you Larry Fisher?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Itse

Then again, the Flames are desperate and I wouldn't put it past Darryl to squeeze them for a contract with a lot of millions for several years.

Pay heem.

Pay dat man his manney.

[mile]

I've stayed pretty silent on GG ever since he took over, have read all the opinions from both his supporters and detractors, and had generally taken an optimistic approach when it comes to him because I do think he has done some good things. But like how Treliving said that Hartley took the team as far as he could 2 years ago, I want to say the same about GG now.

I don't have a problem with Gulutzan's system - He has the right idea, it's similar to how the Penguins play, to how the Blue Jackets play and when the team is confident and executes it, they look great as seen in the winning streaks they had last season. Problem is while I think he has the right idea about style of play, he's not getting them to execute consistently enough. When adversity happens he just doesn't have that feel for the pulse of the game or the players that is needed to recognize when to call a timeout or to make the necessary in-game adjustments. It shows in his unwillingness to change up the power play personnel or the defense pairings when both are badly struggling right now. He's also not that leader who is going to be that voice who will push them and really get them to believe that they can still win a game when they get behind. A timeout was sorely needed in that second period tonight - they stopped playing for the rest of the period after falling behind.

I would look at calling Darryl Sutter and seeing if he were interested in returning now, before another team potentially gets him. The biggest concern would be style of play and fit for how this team is built, but I remember when he took over the Kings around the same time 6 years ago, I believe he said something about how he wasn't going to change the Kings' style of play, but that they were going to execute it better. I like to think if he took over the Flames now, it would be the same - same system, but motivate them in a way to get them to execute more consistently. He's a smart man who isn't going to have Johnny play like a grinder. He's also always had a good feel for his players and what roles they should be playing, and I think he would get this defense to play to its potential. I see some parallels in this team and that underachieving Kings team in 2011-12 before their coaching change and if I were BT, would definitely make a change in the next week or so.

[Vinny01]

tbis team just seems to lack emotion under Gulutzan and there is no real identity of the team.

Chips in the middle Treliving needs to make something happen to salvage the season. Of the available coaches I would prefer Sutter to Tippet

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It feels right now like the Flames have to play perfect hockey, and otherwise every mistake ends up in the back of the net.

I remember this exact feeling with another coach not that long ago...

[Vinny01]

The benefits of Sutter or Tippet would be a likely vast improvement of the team defense. I think goal scoring is still somewhat concerning and with either of those coach’s goals could be even harder to come by.

Too bad the Rangers didn’t cut AV loose earlier this season as it was speculated

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

tbis team just seems to lack emotion under Gulutzan and there is no real identity of the team.

Chips in the middle Treliving needs to make something happen to salvage the season. Of the available coaches I would prefer Sutter to Tippet

Is "fragile" an identity?

And yeah. Like I said earlier. Your team just gave up two goals in close succession, and then you get called on a horrendous and phantom high sticking penalty. And I don't think Gulutzan responded at all. Just hands in his pockets staring down at the monitor and looking defeated like he always does.

I know it is not his style, but if there was ever a time to show some emotion - To show his players that he has their backs. That he expects something better from them. *Anything*. That was the time.

But, nothing. No response. No push back of any kind. If a team takes on the identity of the coach, then that, right there, is the Flames' identity.

[Gaskal]

I'm seeing a handful of posters that are well known for being patient, thoughtful, and pragmatic starting to run out of patience for Glen, and I'm starting to follow suit. Can't blame us at this point right? I don't doubt that Treliving has been very disillusioned with him over these last two games as well if we're getting antsy - and we're not even the ones who traded away that 1st round pick.

My patience hasn't completely run out just yet. I would give him this brief eastern roadie to get back into the swing of things, but at the same time I wouldn't so much as blink if I saw news of his termination sooner, like... first thing in the morning.

Two completely winnable games and we #### the bed so hard the velocity of the poop made it rip right through the mattress AND the box spring.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

For as much grief that GG is getting for not making in game adjustments, we are now at yet another season where our GM fails to make in season adjustments.

He's great against a deadline, but Treliving struggles in October and November.

I'm bumping this because it applies again and shows a serious flaw in our GM.

Treliving seems incapable or unwilling to make in season moves to save a season.

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I'm bumping this because it applies again and shows a serious flaw in our GM.

Treliving seems incapable or unwilling to make in season moves to save a season.

Good point. He never adressed the glaring goaltending issues when Hartley was coaching, because he wanted him gone.

I'm skeptical that he will admit he completely blew the coaching hire, and fire Gulutzan.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I'm bumping this because it applies again and shows a serious flaw in our GM.

Treliving seems incapable or unwilling to make in season moves to save a season.

Left Hartley out to dry with Tank commander Hiller and Ramo. Then pissed in his cornflakes by making sure a washed up Backstrom had to start some games.

Treliving probably won't fire Gulutzan, but I'm going to wake up every morning hoping he does. Or just have Burke pull the plug on Treliving and get Don Maloney in there for a kick at it.

And I like the Ruff proposal for HC. Good coach.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

Good point. He never adressed the glaring goaltending issues when Hartley was coaching, because he wanted him gone.

I'm skeptical that he will admit he completely blew the coaching hire, and fire Gulutzan.

It’s a huge move for Treliving. He can’t afford to have this team miss the playoffs. His prized summer acquisition looks terrible and he paid a hefty price. The season needs to be salvaged and if he needs to make a coaching move he should do it now while there is still 50+ games left.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Left Hartley out to dry with Tank commander Hiller and Ramo. Then pissed in his cornflakes by making sure a washed up Backstrom had to start some games.

Treliving probably won't fire Gulutzan, but I'm going to wake up every morning hoping he does. Or just have Burke pull the plug on Treliving and get Don Maloney in there for a kick at it.

And I like the Ruff proposal for HC. Good coach.

That tank commander year landed the team Tkachuk. He was also in on Talbot, and Jones the summer before that season but struck out after spending hisnsurplis of pucks on acquiring Hamilton

[Stay Golden]

Only 2 things that were good about being at tonight's Gulutzan special was buying a Flames touque for Hockey fights cancer and heckling at Gulutzan all game. Not in our seats. Friends bosses seats 2 sections away from the mute.
Another debacle brought to us Gulutzan the most timid coach in the NFL & hopefully fired by January.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That tank commander year landed the team Tkachuk. He was also in on Talbot, and Jones the summer before that season but struck out after spending hisnsurplis of pucks on acquiring Hamilton

Treliving is a damn good GM. But no GM is infallible. The coaching hire was a disaster and there’s no denying it. He needs to swallow his pride and do what is necessary.

[tvp2003]

Gulutzan's big saying last year was "what stands in the way becomes the way". Made a sign for it in the locker room and everything:



Treliving needs to decide if Gulutzan should continue standing in the way of this team or if he should be shown the door. Last year's second half success is proving to be the exception, not the norm...

[colbym72]

Larry Fisher
@LarryFisher_KDC
We also talked about potential coaching changes and I'm hearing now that tonight could be Glen Gulutzan's last game in charge of the #Flames. However, I've heard three different names as possible replacements: Darryl Sutter, Dave Tippett and Ryan Huska. Speculate away. #NHL #THW