[PGT] Flames 5 Oilers 7

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

And all these teams went on to win the cup.....oh wait.

Those teams are all from the laat three seasons.

The Penguins won two of the last three cups, and are one of the teams on that list.

66% percent of the last three cups have been won by a team who fired a coach midseason for a record sinilar to ours. The other 33% won by Joel freakin Quennville.

Further, every team I listed actually still made the playoffs except for Toronto, and Toronto was still vey right to fire Carlyle.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I think he has a good hockey system but his choices during the game are terrible.

This sums up how I feel about GG as well[/QUOTE]


What about his system do you like?

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Reminds me a bit of Bouwmeester. Just doesn't have edge in him. He seems like a chill really good person - but that translates on the ice.
And I don't think you can create that.
He is who he is and has a lot of attributes that are both rare and important in the NHL.
I wish he would play with more edge too, but I think anyone expecting that to come suddenly will be forever frustrated.
He is who he is.

exactly... that's exactly who he reminds me of.

[ComixZone]

GG preaches a 50/50 brand of hockey, which effectively boils down to “don’t take risks 5v5, win through special teams”. This is so eerily similar to Brent Sutter demanding mistake-free hockey that it’s painful. Mistakes are going to happen, and the team needs to be able to roll with the punches and play aggressive. GG does not coach an aggressive 5v5 game, and everyone plays scared.

If the bad games were isolated to a small number of players, or a player, then it’s something you can address with a trade. The sad part is we have a large number of players making significant mistakes, constantly. This doesn’t speak to an issue with any one player, it speaks to a larger problem.

As a fan, we have to hope it’s an inadequate coach - because if it’s not, then the team we just rebuilt ourselves into is not going to be a Championship caliber squad.

GG’s general confusion and apparent defeat in his post game presser just has me annoyed. Take the damn team by the balls and be their guiding voice. Coaches do that. Help your team, it’s what you’re there to do - and you have failed to do so throughout your career as the head coach of the Calgary Flames.

[Ashasx]

I'm not sure why some people here are saying analytics are telling Gulutzan to put Brouwer on the 1st PP unit.

If analytics are saying anything, it's that Brouwer is the worst player in the league and should be in the ECHL.

[bubbsy]

Exactly. Brouwer is the extreme counter example of eye test, intangibles being out weighed compared to every possible stat (simple or advanced).

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by heep223

What about his system do you like?

His system is really good at trapping the puck in the defensive zone. puck to the half boards, winger pushes it out into the middle of the ice. turnover. I'm assuming it's a set play and one devised to cause a turnover, since it so often happens and has resulted in multiple goals this year. of course it's for the other team, but I have to believe it's part of GG's master plan some how.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mike F

The Flames didn't deserve to tie it, but they had a chance with that third period PP, and with the ineffectiveness of the PP earlier in the game, and the ineffectiveness of Brouwer on the PP all year, to still come back to him at that point. . . .



This is the type of thing that has me so down on the coaching staff. No ability or willingness to adapt. Just bull-headed, "This is our plan and we're sticking to it rain or shine."

And Bennett had just popped 2 goals in the last 10 minutes and was feeling it. Bennett should have been out in Brouwer's place - no wait, I can't even use that phrase because it shouldn't be Brouwer's place in the first place - Bennett should have been out there in that scenario.

[blender]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, so if it has forgive me, but to me the defining moment in the game was just before the Oilers' 7th goal the Flames got the puck deep with the extra man on the ice and they only had 2 forecheckers go in quickly after it. WTAF happened? Because I was watching on TV I couldn't see what was happening at the Flames bench or the neutral zone, but how does that even happen? It is inexcusable, and of course the Oilers turn it up ice easily and then there is the bad break Brodie goal.
I just can't figure out what happened there, but to my eyes, that's the game.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They don't take away points when you lose...it will be 5 or 7 with even games played

After last night's loss, the Oilers are now 5 points back. If the Oilers win their next game and the Flames lose, the difference will be 3 points.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I'm beginning to wonder if the players tuning out the Coaches

If the players tuned out the coaches we would have won.

[Racki]

It's been mentioned above but I can't help but reiterate. How does the coach not see that Bennett was really feeling it offensively last night and not use him instead of Brouwer on that final power play.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blender

I don't know if this has been mentioned, so if it has forgive me, but to me the defining moment in the game was just before the Oilers' 7th goal the Flames got the puck deep with the extra man on the ice and they only had 2 forecheckers go in quickly after it. WTAF happened? Because I was watching on TV I couldn't see what was happening at the Flames bench or the neutral zone, but how does that even happen? It is inexcusable, and of course the Oilers turn it up ice easily and then there is the bad break Brodie goal.
I just can't figure out what happened there, but to my eyes, that's the game.

The extra man never got out there. Rittich was slow leaving the net. Don’t know if that was him being slow to react or gg not calling him out. I was confused too

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Here are a few coaches fired midseason in recent years with pretty similar records:

The Penguins were 15-10-3 when they fired Johnston.
The Blues were 24-21-5 when they fired Hitchcock.
The Wild were 23-22-10 when they fired Yeo.
The Leafs were 21-16-3 when they fired Carlyle
The Bruins were 26-23-6 when they fired Julien
The Habs were 31-19-8 when they fired Therrien
The Senators were 11-11-5 when they fired MacLean

Also I get pretty annoyed when people pretend Gulutzan's record isn't being propped up by the fact that he has the most dominant 3v3 team in the NHL, who literally win games in OT where coaches do nothing but send out their six "fastest" players over-and-over. I mean just look at the above list and all the OTLs/SOLs for every above fired coach, whereas Gulutzan has had no issue with too many one point games.

Their record, in regulation, under Gulutzan"

41-44-23 regular season
0 - 3 - 1 in the playoffs.

Their OT heroics (they are 18-5 in OT and SOs) )have been carrying them, and disguising a rather lackluster overall performance.

There is no way in hell that this team should be under .500

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Reminds me a bit of Bouwmeester. Just doesn't have edge in him. He seems like a chill really good person - but that translates on the ice.
And I don't think you can create that.
He is who he is and has a lot of attributes that are both rare and important in the NHL.
I wish he would play with more edge too, but I think anyone expecting that to come suddenly will be forever frustrated.
He is who he is.

He has tremendous skills that are extremely valuable in this league. But he is likely a complementary player for some of the reasons you mention. I suppose that makes him the kind of player that can be traded to a team in dire need of that skill set. Maybe GG’s system doesn’t emphasize those skills as much as other systems.

Which begs the question of whether GG is the long term answer. And how th Flames proceed is based on the answer to that question.

[Itse]

I think he has a good hockey system but his choices during the game are terrible.

I think he has the basics of a good system, possibly even an excellent system, but it doesn't hold up that well under fire, and Gulutzan doesn't seem to know how to turn it into something that works more consistently.

Great hockey minds don't always make good coaches, and I feel that's the problem with Gulutzan. Plus I'm not convinced on the greatness. He's definitely good though, and that's his strength.

Maybe in time he'll learn, but I don't think he'll learn fast enough for this team right now.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Their record, in regulation, under Gulutzan"

41-44-23 regular season
0 - 3 - 1 in the playoffs.

Their OT heroics (they are 18-5 in OT and SOs) )have been carrying them, and disguising a rather lackluster overall performance.

There is no way in hell that this team should be under .500

Wow. Pretty hard to argue with those numbers.

With the players Treliving has assembled, even a below average coach could get them into the playoffs IMO. Not a given, but they're going to be competitive regardless. So the fact that we're close to a playoff spot now is irrelevant IMO -- even if they make it, I don't think it's worth sputtering the rest of this season so we can have two home playoff games.

Either Gulutzan needs to change or he needs to go. It doesn't sound like he's going to change...

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

After last night's loss, the Oilers are now 5 points back. If the Oilers win their next game and the Flames lose, the difference will be 3 points.

You must be a math major.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If the players tuned out the coaches we would have won.

3rd period the system (whatever it actually is I have no idea) was abandoned. Team was much better and almost tied the game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Watched the post game presser from Gulutzan just now.

According to him:
When there's a big game, this team gets really nervous and wound up. Rather than feed off the energy they make a ton of nervous mistakes.
If something bad happens (bad bounce) they crumble.

He's definitely not wrong. He always seems to be right on point in his interviews regarding his view on the team and their struggles. However, I see little evidence in his ability to work with the team to address and resolve the issues in a timely fashion.

Do we need to wait till the next road trip where there's time for a train ride??

He's not wrong.

The question I have is: who is the one person who is in a position to do something about that?

IMO, Gulutzan is condemning himself here.

And I'll take it in the other direction....

He is basically saying that he thinks the players need to relax and not get too emotional. But look at Hamilton. Dougie is trying to be as relaxed as possible - and it is making him look like he has no passion.

Hockey is a game that needs to be (and is best) played with emotion. But the Flames completely lack it right now. And IMO, that is all about his coaching style.