[PGT] Flames 5 Oilers 7

[ReinhartonD]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Embarrassing game and unacceptable effort that should result in every member of the coaching staff losing their jobs. Scoring a few goals late against a crap goaltender changes nothing.

Thanks for being ready and showing up for a total of 8 minutes against your biggest rival without their 2 best defencemen and starting goaltender.

This. Nothing was proven by Broissoit forgetting how to goalie for 8 minutes in the 3rd--this was awful.

Some other takes-

-I liked Hathaway; one of the few noticeable in a positive way. He had some chances, made some hits and drew an oiler penalty

-I thought I hated the Leaf fans in our barn most, but no, it's still the greasers.

- Smith has an awesome attitude/personality if you saw him on the post game show. Some guys would've ditched it after that game and yet he went on and actually tried to take responsibility for the loss when it really wasn't on him at all.

Put this in the dumpster and lets hope the floundering flyers are what the doctor ordered.

[Da_Chief]

No doubt Bart will come in next game to help top 4 elevate / fix their game.

No doubt Hamilton and Lazar will come in next game to help out with scoring.

Coach that cant hold anyone responsible.

Fire Gulutzen
Get Tkachuk a freaking skating coach, painful to watch him race for pucks
Get Brodie with Giordano
For God sake send down Stajan / Brouwer / Hamilton / Lazar / Bartowski (when no one will claim 1/5 of your roster on waiver you know you have a ####ty team).
Bring up Hrivik / Wotherspoon / Mangiapanne

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by streetglide

Either way classless. The guy laid his body on the line for this team. I guess he got the last laugh didn't he

Lol get a life...this is supposed to be fun for the fans. They pay the money it's just a joke.

Last laugh? Flames have a 5 point lead on the Oilers with a game in hand. They live another day but basically having their season on the line in early December is pretty sad for a ""cup contender"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And what could have been a cushy nine point lead over the northern turd factory could well be only three by the end of that game night. Scary....

They don't take away points when you lose...it will be 5 or 7 with even games played

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Down by 1 with 3 minutes to go and a PP and we put out Brower instead of Bennett who was feeling it last night. It's okay to change your PP mid game . So frustrating

Nope, can't do that according to the smartest guy in the room... Mr Glen Gulatzan. Hey Bennett's scored two and is looking really good this period, lets put him out for the powerplay. Oh but my analytics and superior hockey brain tells me that 0 goals Brouwer is the smart choice. I am so tired of watching this guy screw the talent on this team. Mister, I gotta keep putting square pegs in round holes!!! For the love of God Brad, realize you made a mistake hiring this guy, cut your losses and GET RID OF HIM!!!!

[redforever]

Originally Posted by FBI

Here's my gauge as to if a player/coach is valuable:
Would another team scoop them up if they were available?

Brouwer - No = Not valuable
Stajan - No = Not valuable
Hamilton - Yes = Valuable
Bartkowski - No = Not valuable
Brodie - Yes = Valuable

Gulutzan - No = Not valuable

I would question Dougie being valuable at this point in time.

Huge disappointment for me.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by ReinhartonD

This. Nothing was proven by Broissoit forgetting how to goalie for 8 minutes in the 3rd--this was awful.

Some other takes-

-I liked Hathaway; one of the few noticeable in a positive way. He had some chances, made some hits and drew an oiler penalty

-I thought I hated the Leaf fans in our barn most, but no, it's still the greasers.

- Smith has an awesome attitude/personality if you saw him on the post game show. Some guys would've ditched it after that game and yet he went on and actually tried to take responsibility for the loss when it really wasn't on him at all.

Put this in the dumpster and lets hope the floundering flyers are what the doctor ordered.

Actually, I had no problem with Oiler fans at all. They were pretty loud but they had a reason to be.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Another brilliant coaching tactic. Take a guy who has 0 goals over 1/4 of the season and give him PP time. It took, what, 20 games for our 3rd leading goal scorer to start getting meaningful PP time? I’d just love to know the rationale for some of these decisions. Stone is one of the few guy with a howitzer, but nope, that wouldn’t be useful on the PP. Brodie looked like an all star on the right side, but let’s force one of our best defenseman to play uncomfortably on the left. His absolute refusal to waver from these decisions is baffling.

I honestly wonder how the players feel when they see a player that simply can't produce, not only have an A, but gets prime chances on the PP over other players that have produced more?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Down by 1 with 3 minutes to go and a PP and we put out Brower instead of Bennett who was feeling it last night. It's okay to change your PP mid game . So frustrating

Yea that’s unacceptable - Cameron sticks to his guns too much; I don’t know if it’s a pride thing but it is ok to pivot mid-game when you’re desperate for a goal. GG is only aiding this too if he’s letting something like that happen... I like coaches who know how to play the hot hand at the right time; Bennett should have been given a chance to do something big there and completing a hat-trick/5 goal comeback against your most hated rival would have been brilliant. I feel like they don’t have a plus on games at time if they are playing Brouwer again in a situation like that. Brutal.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I honestly wonder how the players feel when they see a player that simply can't produce, not only have an A, but gets prime chances on the PP over other players that have produced more?

Yup, this "good-in-the-room" nonsense that was routinely parroted must be running a bit thin. How good in the room can a guy who's clearly overpaid, unproductive, given a letter, and gifted PP time be?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Here are a few coaches fired midseason in recent years with pretty similar records:

The Penguins were 15-10-3 when they fired Johnston.
The Blues were 24-21-5 when they fired Hitchcock.
The Wild were 23-22-10 when they fired Yeo.
The Leafs were 21-16-3 when they fired Carlyle
The Bruins were 26-23-6 when they fired Julien
The Habs were 31-19-8 when they fired Therrien
The Senators were 11-11-5 when they fired MacLean

Also I get pretty annoyed when people pretend Gulutzan's record isn't being propped up by the fact that he has the most dominant 3v3 team in the NHL, who literally win games in OT where coaches do nothing but send out their six "fastest" players over-and-over. I mean just look at the above list and all the OTLs/SOLs for every above fired coach, whereas Gulutzan has had no issue with too many one point games.

And all these teams went on to win the cup.....oh wait.

[Machiavelli]

Flames are dead last in the league in hits. Would have been nice to see more physicality especially against idiots like Lucic

[GeoRock]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Nope, can't do that according to the smartest guy in the room... Mr Glen Gulatzan. Hey Bennett's scored two and is looking really good this period, lets put him out for the powerplay. Oh but my analytics and superior hockey brain tells me that 0 goals Brouwer is the smart choice. I am so tired of watching this guy screw the talent on this team. Mister, I gotta keep putting square pegs in round holes!!! For the love of God Brad, realize you made a mistake hiring this guy, cut your losses and GET RID OF HIM!!!!

This. Bennett entered the league looking like a top 6 and he is treated like a bottom 3. Not to say his play has deserved a top 6 spot, but he also doesn't get the opportunity to play with any of them, even when we have a solid lead against teams. Bad coaching and mismanagement ruined the early careers of some high draft picks in Edmonton, I would hate to see that happen here. But hey, old Glue Gun knows what he's doing, right Brad?

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[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Yea that’s unacceptable - Cameron sticks to his guns too much; I don’t know if it’s a pride thing but it is ok to pivot mid-game when you’re desperate for a goal. GG is only aiding this too if he’s letting something like that happen... I like coaches who know how to play the hot hand at the right time; Bennett should have been given a chance to do something big there and completing a hat-trick/5 goal comeback against your most hated rival would have been brilliant. I feel like they don’t have a plus on games at time if they are playing Brouwer again in a situation like that. Brutal.

Not sure who to blame; but doesn't it seem odd if the assistant coaches are setting up situations that fail and the coach isn't addressing it?

[dirk diggler]

i miss Engellend, at least you would get an effort and some physical play. Hamilton to me is just a waste out there, he has zero compete level out there and lacks basic hockey sense. not sure what analytics say about him but they eye test tells me he isnt a smart defensive player. he doesnt need to be Scott Stevens but he can play with an edge sometimes.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Dave Tippett would likely be the choice, which would be an absolute travesty. Coyotes fans were begging for him to be fired by the time he was ousted in Arizona.

If Dave Tippett became coach of this team I would take a long extended break from watching hockey. People think the team is bad under GG? They have no idea the offensive black hole this team would become under Tippett's system. JG would be a 40-50 point player. That being said I am pretty much out of excuses for GG, I think he has a good hockey system but his choices during the game are terrible.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i miss Engellend, at least you would get an effort and some physical play. Hamilton to me is just a waste out there, he has zero compete level out there and lacks basic hockey sense. not sure what analytics say about him but they eye test tells me he isnt a smart defensive player. he doesnt need to be Scott Stevens but he can play with an edge sometimes.

Reminds me a bit of Bouwmeester. Just doesn't have edge in him. He seems like a chill really good person - but that translates on the ice.
And I don't think you can create that.
He is who he is and has a lot of attributes that are both rare and important in the NHL.
I wish he would play with more edge too, but I think anyone expecting that to come suddenly will be forever frustrated.
He is who he is.

[Toonage]

There lies the problem with canning the coach right now. Unless it was Sutter there isn't anyone available that most people would feel comfortable with and we'd be left with Cameron running the show the rest of the year. Lateral move.

Gulutzan is likely here for the rest of the season so I just hope he will learn to change things up more frequently and realize his own mistakes.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I think he has a good hockey system but his choices during the game are terrible.[/QUOTE]

This sums up how I feel about GG as well

[Racki]

Originally Posted by streetglide

Those of you that want Brodie traded. You know as soon as that happens he'll be an all star again under someone else. He's still young. We've all seen how good he can be. The only thing that's changed is the coach

Those of you that would trade Bennett. Same argument from me. He was trending in a positive direction until GG came.

If for no other reason than to get Hartely's Brodie and Hartley's Bennett to come back I'd get rid of Gultzan.

These two guys are so crucial to our success this year and beyond that if we don't get them going we are in big trouble.