Mass Shooting November 5 Texas Church

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm obviously for strict gun regulations, in the US and elsewhere, but don't kid yourself that it will turn the US into Japan or anything even remotely close. The problem in the US is that there are 300 million guns already in circulation. Even if you banned every gun sale tomorrow, it would go very little ways towards solving the problem of gun homicide generally.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm obviously for strict gun regulations, in the US and elsewhere, but don't kid yourself that it will turn the US into Japan or anything even remotely close. The problem in the US is that there are 300 million guns already in circulation. Even if you banned every gun sale tomorrow, it would go very little ways towards solving the problem of gun homicide generally.

Australia 1997

[metallicat]

Do SOMETHING America. Anything. Or just keep praying and maybe your God will listen this time.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm obviously for strict gun regulations, in the US and elsewhere, but don't kid yourself that it will turn the US into Japan or anything even remotely close. The problem in the US is that there are 300 million guns already in circulation. Even if you banned every gun sale tomorrow, it would go very little ways towards solving the problem of gun homicide generally.

It might turn the US into Japan in 2 generations if we start today.

If we don't start, then the cycle just continues forever.

I doubt we start though. I mean, even teaching anti-gun statistics is probably considered some sort of Liberal conspiracy.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm obviously for strict gun regulations, in the US and elsewhere, but don't kid yourself that it will turn the US into Japan or anything even remotely close. The problem in the US is that there are 300 million guns already in circulation. Even if you banned every gun sale tomorrow, it would go very little ways towards solving the problem of gun homicide generally.

Of course it won’t, it probably won’t make any difference at all, but it would start to change the conversation. This is a multi-generation project to change attitudes and it has to start somewhere. It mustn’t get stalled by defeatist or disingenuous opinions.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Azure

Because we all know that mandatory sentences work so well to reduce crime.

Change it, execute them as a deterrent.

[DuffMan]

More opioids would fix the opioid epidemic

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Of course it won’t, it probably won’t make any difference at all, but it would start to change the conversation. This is a multi-generation project to change attitudes and it has to start somewhere. It mustn’t get stalled by defeatist or disingenuous opinions.

The bolded is a big part of why there will never be change in the US towards their gun culture.

[WhiteTiger]

I was watching a US television channel, and heard this announcement: "Up next, on the nightly news, another unthinkable tragedy in Texas..."

All I could think was "Something that happens nearly daily is not unthinkable."

[Thor]

The worst part is the gun nuts will point to the men who chased him down and shot back as hero's and an example of good guys with guns.

So clearly the solution is arming more people.

[Peanut]

Remember how shocked you were by Columbine? And Sandy Hook? Even Vegas recently was very upsetting due to the high fatalities and causalities. I know with Sandy Hook especially, I was very upset for days about that. I’m still upset about that, actually.

But otherwise, aren’t people becoming desensitized to these shootings? They are so frequent, and nothing changes because of any of them. To me it kind of seems like it’s time to stop getting upset about it. It’s just part of life in the US at this point. We’ll hear about the really bad ones on the news from time to time. And life goes on otherwise. It’s happening almost everyday, somewhere.

It’s terrible, really. But Americans and their politicians obviously don’t care enough to try and change *anything*. Maybe the NRA lobby is just too strong. But in any case I personally am fatigued at being upset or outraged by these mass shootings. If they don’t fundamentally care to change things, to me it seems like it’s time to accept that this is just the way it is in the US.

[Fuzz]

NRA spokesman says it isn't a guns issue, it's a mental health one.

Also says "fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction otherwise it [wouldn't] have been as bad as it was. It would have been much worse."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-t...alth-1.4388871

2 great NRA talking points!

[metallicat]

NRA spokesman, haha. Oh fuzz, that's good.

[Flabbibulin]

An armed citizen apparently shot and wounded him before he took his own life, but it was after the massacre took place and doesnt appear to have accomplished much... although Im sure defenders of the "armed public is the solution" argument will say he would have probably gone on to kill more had an armed civilan not slowed him down... so yay for guns in the hands of good god fearin folk!

[OMG!WTF!]

What an amazing disconnect. Trump almost had it, almost said it...

We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn’t a guns situation

Yes. You're finally getting it. Crazy people are everywhere however in other countries they don't try killing everyone with automatic weapons. But then "this isn't a guns situation".

So close.

Anyway, might as well make a buck or two. Thoughts and prayers don't pay the bills. Buying smith and wesson holding co on the pull back around 9:45.

[2Stonedbirds]

Too bad the dude didn't have a badge, then there wouldn't have been a problem.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Too bad the dude didn't have a badge, then there wouldn't have been a problem.

Not so sure I want this guy driving 95 mph through town with a shotgun hanging out the window.



There's a big difference between having a badge and not. Most of the time good guys with guns just get in the way.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...104-story.html

None of the armed civilians fired their weapons, and the suspect managed to flee the store.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Gun control won't do much to quell ancient evil urges that, frankly, are part of every one of us to some degree

Of course it wont but that's not the point of gun control, the point of gun control is to limit the body count those urges cause, this numpty only has a kitchen knife 25 people are still alive. If he just has a bolt action hunting rifle or old fashioned shot gun then chances are at least 15 or 20 of them are still alive

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

All it would do is make it more difficult for people with those ancient evil impulses to carry out wholesale mass slaughter.

I'm not disputing that at all. Understanding and addressing root causes seems as important, if not more so, in my mind.

Devolving into the same divisive conversation around gun regulations doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere but deeper into the problem.

Ignoring the fact that there appears to be a growing population of young men disconnected, lost, listless and with a contempt for existence itself seems like a conversation no one is really having, and could potentially be fruitful.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Australia 1997

Yes... and then consider that the Australian buyback program took only 660,000 guns out of private hands. That's 0.2% of the total guns in the USA. It wouldn't even make a dent.

It also cost $500 million in 1996 dollars. So, doing the math, in order to execute a buyback program that would remove even half the privately owned guns in the USA from circulation, it would cost something like $196,250,000,000 in 2017 dollars. And you'd still have 150 million guns out there.

I really think people are unable to grasp the magnitude of the problem facing the US when they talk about simple solutions like that. I agree, regulations need to be put in place, because the perfect cannot be the enemy of the good. But I also agree that it's a matter of decades worth of reforms if you really want to make significant gains on this, and I don't think that's talked about enough. People talk about this like there are quick and easy fixes, and if you ever get a congress and white house who are willing to go all out on this, that veil will fall away pretty quickly and be exploited by opponents.

[photon]

Can you build a wall out of guns?