Mass Shooting November 5 Texas Church

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Gun control won't do much to quell ancient evil urges that, frankly, are part of every one of us to some degree

Of course it wont but that's not the point of gun control, the point of gun control is to limit the body count those urges cause, this numpty only has a kitchen knife 25 people are still alive. If he just has a bolt action hunting rifle or old fashioned shot gun then chances are at least 15 or 20 of them are still alive

So you're basically suggesting that somehow the government ban and "somehow" remove from circulation the following:

- Anything semi-auto
- Any lever action
- Anything pump action
- Anything that can accept a magazine (including bolt action)
- People who can fire a bolt action quickly and accurately
- Flechette and 00 shotgun rounds

Notwithstanding the constitution issues and the fact that a lot of LE would not enforce a law like this, how would you go about collecting them and finding the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to buy them back?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So you're basically suggesting that somehow the government ban and "somehow" remove from circulation the following:

- Anything semi-auto
- Any lever action
- Anything pump action
- Anything that can accept a magazine (including bolt action)
- People who can fire a bolt action quickly and accurately
- Flechette and 00 shotgun rounds

Notwithstanding the constitution issues and the fact that a lot of LE would not enforce a law like this, how would you go about collecting them and finding the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to buy them back?

Large clips and handguns are America's biggest gun problems

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Large clips and handguns are America's biggest gun problems

What's a large "clip" (magazine), in your mind and how would reducing the size of said magazines help?

[spuzzum]

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

What's a large"clip" (magazine), in your mind and how would reducing the size of said magazines help?

Capacity of course

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So you're basically suggesting that somehow the government ban and "somehow" remove from circulation the following:

- Anything semi-auto
- Any lever action
- Anything pump action
- Anything that can accept a magazine (including bolt action)
- People who can fire a bolt action quickly and accurately
- Flechette and 00 shotgun rounds

Notwithstanding the constitution issues and the fact that a lot of LE would not enforce a law like this, how would you go about collecting them and finding the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to buy them back?

Australia did something similar to this, and it's worked out pretty well for them. Granted, I expect it would be much more difficult to implement something like this in the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...s_consequences

Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and has stayed on that lower level since then.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

And the 2nd Amendment be damned right?

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Capacity of course

So if you mandate that a standard cap mag now can only hold 5 or 10 rounds (ie. Canadian laws), would you also then make some law that limits the number of mags a single person may own. Because even if someone who decides to commit a crime doesn't simply return them to normal capacity, it take under two seconds to go from bolt locking back to firing after a mag change.

Originally Posted by direwolf

Australia did something similar to this, and it's worked out pretty well for them.

People love saying that the gun buy back stopped mass shootings, but how many mass shootings did Australia have before Port Arthur?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

Even Japan allows hunting rifles with small capacity clips, they probably came to the conclusion that if you need over 5 bullets to kill an animal you either suck at shooting or want to commit mass murder

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

Obviously this will never happen, but I'm starting to think this is the only way to fix things.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere.

Can't do that without changing the constitution. I know I know but it is what it is.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

Because we all know that mandatory sentences work so well to reduce crime.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So you're basically suggesting that somehow the government ban...

Notwithstanding the constitution issues and the fact that a lot of LE would not enforce a law like this, how would you go about collecting them and finding the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to buy them back?

It’s terrifying that you suggest law enforcement wouldn’t enforce the laws if they disagree with them. I don’t doubt you’re true, but terrifying.

What I find incredible is how many Americans immediately find dozens of reasons why there can’t be any progress in reducing the gun tragedies.

Another view on gun control is we already address this with other products that are dangerous. For drugs, planes, cars there is almost no debate on the value of basic rules on how they are used.

As an example, for something like a car, society agrees on the need for registration, who can be granted a licence, the need for 3rd party insurance if you cause damage and limits on how the products are used. It seems sensible you could almost duplicate the automobile restrictions and then tweak and solve a lot of the problems(but not all).

Ultimately, you can see the power of decades of propaganda in managing to make people unable to see these sensible, easy solutions that have already proven their benefit. For many this is an unsolvable problem, and the end result is viewed as acceptable as there are no other acceptable solutions.

Alas, I can’t see a solution for America. Violent crime, corporate lobbying and control by the rich means the average person has no control. For many it’s not a great place to live, though they may not realize it, having had 70+ years of hearing America is the greatest country on earth.

Ultimately, America is moving away from what I think an ideal democracy should be and further towards ‘democracy’ I’ve seen first-hand in Africa and South America. The scary question is whether America is an early-adopter of 21st century politics or a one-off and Canada and Europe will follow soon.

God I hope they’re a one-off.

[marsplasticeraser]

Oops. Double post.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't do that without changing the constitution. I know I know but it is what it is.

Which should be easy if they actually care about people's lives.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And the 2nd Amendment be damned right?

(1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment did not protect weapon types not having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

In other words the courts could mandate the banning of any weapon over a pellet gun and still protect the 2nd Amendment, they already have done it many times or else we would see people with tanks, RPG's ..etc

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So if you mandate that a standard cap mag now can only hold 5 or 10 rounds (ie. Canadian laws), would you also then make some law that limits the number of mags a single person may own. Because even if someone who decides to commit a crime doesn't simply return them to normal capacity, it take under two seconds to go from bolt locking back to firing after a mag change.

The idea is to make it harder to commit mass murder, just because an experienced gun freak could change clips quickly doesn't mean every nut could do it under pressure, there are plenty examples of shooters being taken down while reloading.

There's a reason America has 10x the gun problems of any other civilized nation, handguns (for everyday shootings) and large capacity clips (mass shootings) are at the top of the problem list. no matter how much gun lovers are in denial it's still the truth.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't do that without changing the constitution. I know I know but it is what it is.

Wrong

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't do that without changing the constitution. I know I know but it is what it is.

its almost like people don't understand what an amendment is...

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

At least one outlet has identified him

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-...-church-killer

I'm sure Breitbart and Hannity will somehow connect this coward with Antifa.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I'd simply make gun illegal everywhere. Eliminate hunting and only permit the army and police to bear firearms.

Everyone has a year to turn in their firearms. If caught with one afterwards, the sentence is 10 years +.

So you're advocating for civil war.

I don't disagree but try to take away their guns.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by snootchiebootchies

I'm sure Breitbart and Hannity will somehow connect this coward with Antifa.

worse yet, the righwing blogisphere monkeys will start smearing victims as "crisis actors" and Alex Jones with be trumpeting "False Flag" Operations...

Oh America... whatever happened to the "shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere"