Kevin Spacey accused of attempted rape by Anthony Rapp when he was 14

[Backlunds_socks]

WTF is happening in this thread?

[Itse]

OK now I think I get where you're coming from there, and I agree that high fiving that can be seen as unhealthy. I mean, I could cheer for a friend getting some if I knew they'd been without for a while, but that's different.

Treating sex with very young women as some kind of special achievement strengthens an unhealthy sexist and objectifying view of women as trophies.

That said, I think the Jagr case was pretty unique, and having a laugh about it was fine.

I mean seriously, dumbest extortion plan ever.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Didn't throw the word victim out, nor did I imply that it was illegal, but If a mid 40's guy doesn't understand why its is not appropriate to get with 18 year old's they need a swift kick upside the head.

Meh, I really don't care about what others see as inappropriate between consenting adults.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

I didn't see the thread you are referring to, but that is ####ing disgusting behavior. I'm in my 40's now and if any one of my friends the same age as me were to partake in that behaviour I would be done with them. I don't see how it should be any different for a 40 something pro athlete or a movie star.

I'd give them props. I don't understand what is wrong with sleeping with an 18 year old adult at any age.

Are you suggesting we can't love people younger than us?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Itse

OK now I think I get where you're coming from there, and I agree that high fiving that can be seen as unhealthy. I mean, I could cheer for a friend getting some if I knew they'd been without for a while, but that's different.

Treating sex with very young women as some kind of special achievement strengthens an unhealthy sexist and objectifying view of women as trophies.

That said, I think the Jagr case was pretty unique, and having a laugh about it was fine.

I mean seriously, dumbest extortion plan ever.

Her extortion plan was a very big deal IMO. Not only did it involve exploiting the justice system, but it's the kind of activity that is likely to bring doubt on future allegations made by other women.

[Oling_Roachinen]

There's never been confirmation it was her that tried to extort Jagr, as far as I'm aware.

The last story I read was that it was spreading on her private social media and someone took the pictures to Jagr and then to the media.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by speede5

It's funny, cause this same forum was high fiving all over the place when a superstar hockey player in his 40's tapped a 18 yr old model.

Comments such as she was more mature due to the environment she worked in, she's 18 so totally fine, etc.

I'll get flamed for bringing it up cause obviously no crime at that age, but it is funny how much difference a couple years make.

So Jagr having relations with an 18 year old model is assault now? WTF is going on here guys.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Considering the amount of development that occurs after 18, this isn’t much of a defence for a middle aged man sleeping with 18 year olds.

By that reasoning, should we tolerate 18 year olds (or 16 year olds) sleeping with one another? If the justification is that they haven't fully developed psychologically yet and are prone to make unwise choices, then they're likely to make unwise choices with people their own age too.

At what age do we treat people as adults? And why are disparities in ages (assuming we're talking adults) more morally reprehensible than disparities in wealth, intelligence, attractiveness, or any of the other ways two people can differ?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Are you suggesting we can't love people younger than us?

Or want to have sex with people older?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

By that reasoning, should we tolerate 18 year olds (or 16 year olds) sleeping with one another? If the justification is that they haven't fully developed psychologically yet and are prone to make unwise choices, then they're likely to make unwise choices with people their own age too.

At what age do we treat people as adults? And why are disparities in ages (assuming we're talking adults) more morally reprehensible than disparities in wealth, intelligence, attractiveness, or any of the other ways two people can differ?

In Canada the law is pretty clear. It's arbitrary, but you have to set the rules somewhere.

And yes, I'd say there is a huge difference between the average 14 year old and the average 16 year old. Go spend time with a classroom full of kids that age, and you'll see a huge difference.

[MissTeeks]

Today's story is about Brett Ratner:

Six women accuse filmmaker Brett Ratner of sexual harassment or misconduct

http://www.latimes.com/business/holl...htmlstory.html

Natasha Henstridge and Olivia Munn are the two bigger names in the article.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blankall

In Canada the law is pretty clear. It's arbitrary, but you have to set the rules somewhere.

And yes, I'd say there is a huge difference between the average 14 year old and the average 16 year old. Go spend time with a classroom full of kids that age, and you'll see a huge difference.

I'm not arguing against the law, and I know there's a difference between a 14 year old and a 16 year old (in fact I didn't mention 14 year olds at all - where did you get that from?). I was responding to a post by Pepsi where he suggested sex between an 18 year old and a 40 year old was inappropriate. Do you agree with him?

I know it's not customary on these forums, but on sensitive topics like this we should try to actually follow the threads and the context of posts.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Her extortion plan was a very big deal IMO. Not only did it involve exploiting the justice system, but it's the kind of activity that is likely to bring doubt on future allegations made by other women.

I could be wrong but she wanted money or would release the photo and he said to release it anyway?

[JFK]

Don't know about inappropriate but a 40 year old going after 18 year old's is pretty creepy. 18 year old's can legally drink, smoke, sign up for the army.. so consenting to sex with anyone of any age is their choice.. but the vast majority of them are still pretty dumb and it's kinda icky all things considered.

[BlackRedGold25]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not arguing against the law, and I know there's a difference between a 14 year old and a 16 year old (in fact I didn't mention 14 year olds at all - where did you get that from?).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess the title of this thread? You do know you're in a thread about Kevin Spacey trying to rape a 14 year old, right?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not arguing against the law, and I know there's a difference between a 14 year old and a 16 year old (in fact I didn't mention 14 year olds at all - where did you get that from?). I was responding to a post by Pepsi where he suggested sex between an 18 year old and a 40 year old was inappropriate. Do you agree with him?

I know it's not customary on these forums, but on sensitive topics like this we should try to actually follow the threads and the context of posts.

I was responding to your post about using arbitrary age guidelines. And while I agree that the guidelines are arbitrary, they are still required. Basically, you have to draw the line somewhere.

[northcrunk]

It was also mutual and she was not raped or sexually assaulted. Big difference. Doesn't change the fact that the age difference is gross.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by JFK

Don't know about inappropriate but a 40 year old going after 18 year old's is pretty creepy. 18 year old's can legally drink, smoke, sign up for the army.. so consenting to sex with anyone of any age is their choice.. but the vast majority of them are still pretty dumb and it's kinda icky all things considered.

There are lots of things that are very creepy that occur when a man is trying to get sex (and sometimes vice versa), but not all of them are criminal.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blankall

I was responding to your post about using arbitrary age guidelines. And while I agree that the guidelines are arbitrary, they are still required. Basically, you have to draw the line somewhere.

And we've drawn the line at 18, so we're agreed.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Today's story is about Brett Ratner:

Six women accuse filmmaker Brett Ratner of sexual harassment or misconduct

http://www.latimes.com/business/holl...htmlstory.html

Natasha Henstridge and Olivia Munn are the two bigger names in the article.

This thread has veered wildly off course, so just quoting this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. These allegations are far worse than the Spacey one (so far) His lawyer can deny them all he wants, but you don't have this many woman coming forward with stories about you if you've been a boy scout.