Very ironic coming from the creator of the GG is a great coach thread.
I don't think "irony" is the word you're searching for, here, since I based the creation of that thread on over a year of watching Gulutzan's system and in response to a bunch of vitriol I'd seen directed his way.
This thread was created in response to maybe... two or three straight disappointing games from the Flames? Sample size is key here.
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1) Defensive coverage is passive and lacks intensity
2) Special teams are terrible. No one moves their feet on the PP. The PK is passive. The line combinations on the PP are bad. Bad special teams was cited as a reason behind the Hartley firing. So don't give me any bull#### about "its not GG who does the PP."
3) Outside of the 3M line, no one battles well in the offensive zone. As a result, there is no zone pressure
4) Ice time management is piss poor. The fourth line is getting 10-15 minutes a game, but is composed of Stajan and Glass, two players that are AHLers at best.
5) Bennett - the highest draft pick in flames history - isn't developing properly
All of the above issues are coaching issue. Its time for Glen to go. The window isn't open for very long - we cant afford to have an inexperienced and ineffective coach at the helm.
This site is circling the drain. This kind of crap is unreadable.
Way to ignore my other post in this thread and the actual argument that I made to support my claim. Sutter is terrible at adjusting his systems, even worse than Gulutzan.
You just called a two time recent Stanley cup winner who turned a mediocre team to a contender instantly "terrible".
You can say he could be better at certain areas but he isn't a terrible coach.
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The Flames with how the team is set up should be utilizing the defense to jump into the play and become like a rover almost with players being aware of the D activating and having a forward come back.
The problem is that nobody save Brodie is regularly jumping into the play. The whole thing is a mess. It's like the team is trying to do about 15 different things at the same time. Nobody is on the same page at all.
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Personally what I would do to "fix" the power play
PP 1
Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett
Giordano-Hamilton
Get all the weapons out on PP 1. All the big guns ready to fire away. Might help to spark Bennett to do something offensively because the skill is there. Not getting anyone to play with though.
PP 2
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Brodie-Versteeg
The 3M line is the only consistent one. Throw it out there, with the two better passers remaining. Have it a possession fest to try and create openings.
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The part where I think your argument breaks down is where you talk about the Flames needing to be like Chicago... but then you argue for hiring L.A.'s old coach.
Part of what made the annual Chicago/L.A. playoff series of the early 2010s so interesting to me is that they were coached almost oppositely. Quenneville had the Hawks playing a speedy, up-tempo game revolving around Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Saad, and Toews playing off each other well in the offensive zone, placing an emphasis on skill and quickness in the top-six, while still allowing for guys like Keith and Campbell to participate in the offense. However, you watched the Kings play, and their style was almost the polar opposite of the Hawks' -- they thrived on slowing down the play, muscling guys off the puck, taking guys out of their comfort zones, muscling their way to the centre of the ice, not relying as much on offense from the defense.
You want the Flames to play like the Hawks while being coached like the Kings? That just doesn't make much sense to me.
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When Sutter coached the team in 2004 the team was a fast skating team who could play with pace and also play hard down low. They didnt just play like the LA Kings we were obviously a young team back then similar to the age of the current Flames team. Iginla was 25 similar in age to out best forward in Gaudreau 24 and Monahan 23. I think Daryl coaches a team around their strengths. LA doesnt have a lot of quick skaters on the team outside of Doughty and Kopitar but they were big and thus capable of playing a big heavy game cycling the puck.
This season they are different and thats partly due to personnel changes they didnt have the quick rookie they have this year last year. They didnt have Cammaleri etc etc.
Ultimately Id love to have more of a Quenville style coach Brought in but hes unavailable.
But to be frank tell me how Sutter wouldnt be an upgrade on Gulutzan?? Our so called top D cant kill penalties to save their lives and are spending way too much time in their own end.
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Way to ignore my other post in this thread and the actual argument that I made to support my claim. Sutter is terrible at adjusting his systems, even worse than Gulutzan.
Haha come on dude, Gulutzan hasn't even won a playoff game in his coaching career. There is a reason why he was never offered a head coaching role after the Stars fired him. He is the perfect assistant coach, this whole Sutter is terrible at adjusting his systems crap is total bs. He wouldn't of won those cups if this was true. Also have you ever thought that maybe the players tuned him out after?
I don't think "irony" is the word you're searching for, here, since I based the creation of that thread on over a year of watching Gulutzan's system and in response to a bunch of vitriol I'd seen directed his way.
This thread was created in response to maybe... two or three straight disappointing games from the Flames? Sample size is key here.
Your opinion, I however consider it ironic to call someone that has never accomplished anything at the NHL level (unless .500 hockey is an accomplishment I suppose) and has shown no signs of taking this team to the next level a great coach.
It is pretty ironic that someone calling him a great coach with nothing to back that up is calling someone looking for him to be fired for being awful a "knee jerk reaction".
I think that is the problem you are having, you see two or three disappointing games, most of us see far more (Smith has covered up a lot of problems this year) not to mention a very lackluster last season with him as coach. You are of course entitled to your opinion, I just wouldn't be so quick to call out others for knee jerk reactions when your claims are as you admitted, opinions.
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Well, I did not like Darryl Sutter as a GM, and I will not revise my assessment of that performance. As a coach though, he is exactly what they need, right effing now. I have never been so upset after leaving a game, i only half jokingly asked one of the ushers for a refund! A coach needs to find ways to get his best players on the ice, GG is unable to do that.
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Switch up Brouwer/Ferland... Whatever. The team sucks TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT already.... Don't be shy of changing the pp either genius
I agree with this whole heartedly. I believe Tkachuks play warrants top line minutes and this also allows Bennett to get back with Backlund and Frolik and they can and will make him better. Bennett isnt good enough yet to carry a line but he can definitely compliment a line if put with the right players.
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Haha come on dude, Gulutzan hasn't even won a playoff game in his coaching career. There is a reason why he was never offered a head coaching role after the Stars fired him. He is the perfect assistant coach, this whole Sutter is terrible at adjusting his systems crap is total bs. He wouldn't of won those cups if this was true. Also have you ever thought that maybe the players tuned him out after?
The game changed under Sutters coaching regime and he didn't adapt his coaching style.
But to be frank tell me how Sutter wouldnt be an upgrade on Gulutzan?? Our so called top D cant kill penalties to save their lives and are spending way too much time in their own end.
First, thanks for the insight into the 2004 team.
If what you say is true -- and I have no reason to believe otherwise -- then I think that the core of my argument remains intact, which is that I don't think Sutter is very good at adjusting his system. Of course, that's a drawback of Gulutzan as well, and so for that reason, I feel like it'd be a lateral move if not a downgrade, seeing as how Sutter has coached recently. I'd also hesitate before blaming Gulutzan for the special teams, as well as the defenders he has at his disposal, as I feel those two things are more on Cameron and Treliving/Jerrard more than Gulutzan.
Obviously, as head coach, Gulutzan has to be invested into on-ice deployment decisions (an area where he and I don't always agree) but if anything I've disagreed with some of Sutter's recent personnel decisions even more. Dustin Brown on the fourth line never really made sense, in my opinion, and keeping Gaborik with Kopitar for as long as he did was nonsensical. A lot of the Kings' shortcomings also rest on Lombardi too, though.
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The game changed under Sutters coaching regime and he didn't adapt his coaching style.
The game changed long before he won 2 cups. That speaks to how great of a coach he Is. Can't believe we are talking about Darryl Sutter being a bad coach LOL.
Guarantee his players respect the crap out of him. What other reason did all his teams play balls to the wall for him?
He does have a shelf life I'll give you that but he was a great coach.
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^^The Kings just ran into cap space and off-ice related related problems, in some ways like the Bruins. They no longer had the personnel available on that team and really are down to two or three NHL defenseman. I don't blame that on Sutter at all.
5) Bennett - the highest draft pick in flames history - isn't developing properly.
This alone, ignoring everything else, is good reason to fire Glen Gulutzan. Forget draft position - some guys are just busts - Look how dynamic this kid looked under Hartley in the NHL, how sky high his ceiling looked:
Now he is playing 4LW with less ice time than Tanner ####ing Glass. Gulutzan has not done anything to build Bennett up, instead he values veterans like Frolik, Brouwer, Versteeg, Stajan in key special teams roles where the argument should be made for Bennett. At ES Bennett should have a confident green light to bring the puck into the middle, not just toss it back into the corners.
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