[PGT] Flames beat Kings 4-3 in OT

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Yup, you take that penalty 10/10. This wasn't game 80 with a playoff spot on the line, or the final minutes of game 7. This was a player who had a self admitted piss poor season last season, is the city's whipping boy, and who is likely being shopped around the league. Literally every single person on CP has been begging for him to start showing some emotion on the ice. He sticks up for the captain and finally starts doing what he's supposed to be doing.

The day he does that someone posts how it was a bad thing, and multiple people actually 'thanked' it.

Embarassing

It's like people wanted to see him pull a Tom Erixon and just skate away. If it was any other player on the team, this wouldn't be an issue. If Hamonic beats up a guy in that situation he gets praised for it.

It was a good play at the time and in hindsight. That's the Brouwer we need to see on a nightly basis.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It's almost like there are different people on here with different opinions.

Embarrassing? Hardly.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

n/m

[MoBiBu]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Yup, you take that penalty 10/10. This wasn't game 80 with a playoff spot on the line, or the final minutes of game 7.

You appear to be acknowledging there are times when Brouer's reaction wouldn't be the best one; game 4 or game 80 it's still 2 points towards the standings and winning now helps to avoid that desperation situation late in the season.

It's not embarassing to have the opinion it wasn't the best choice for Brouer because most posters who do seem to be still happy what he did regardless: a good choice vs a better choice, if you will. Also, as some posters wrote, Brouer probably didn't know of the call on Brown or the unpredictable zebras / Brown reaction affected his decision... nevermind the Flames PP issues that had already shifted momentum in the 2nd. In the end, both perspectives are valid

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Locke

Look guys, Chucky is just a concerned citizen.

In this day and age of low oil prices and foreign home ownership hes trying to stimulate the economy by having a new mouthguard every single game.

The average mouthguard retails for about $8, the really good ones are double that and I think an NHL player would go for those, so thats like $1600 a year to the local 'mouthguard retail' industry.

Cant go wrong.

Plus they are made from oil.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Plus they are made from oil.

Oil and Oil Accessories.

[Max Cow Disease]

It's weird feeling optimistic at this fresh stage of the season. After the opener against Edmonton and the first period of the following game, I was worried that we were off to a rotten start yet again given that there were very few signs that the team's game was right around the corner from any sort of greatness. It was putting a damper on the excitement of the Jagr signing for me.

Zip to now, and here we are! A few kinks to iron out including a little less reliance on Smith, but I'm feeling some solid vibes from the season so far.

[GoJetsGo]

Does anyone know a good site to determine the Flames record since 3 on 3 OT has been brought into use?

Has to be one of the tops in the NHL I would think.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I crunched some numbers, and like I suspected shot totals are up by a MASSIVE margin this season—for whatever reason. Through the first 51 games last year there were 23 teams who tallied +35 SOG (22.5%), and 6 games in which that total crested 40 (5.8%). But this year so far through 50 games, teams have fired +35 SOG 43 times (43% = +20.5%), and 23(!) times that number has been over 40 (23% = +17.2%). Last year there were a total of 5 games in which one team managed +50 SOG, and just a mere week into the season that has already happened once.

While the Flames have surrendered too high a number of SOG in three of their first four games, this is less of a concern given the current league-wide trend.

I heard GG on the radio and he was saying that the league has changed the criteria for "shots on goal". If the puck has any chance of going in it is consider a shot, the example was the puck coming in and the goalie playing it with his stick. Previously these would not be shots, not they are because is the goalie wasn't there the puck could have gone in.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MoBiBu

You appear to be acknowledging there are times when Brouer's reaction wouldn't be the best one; game 4 or game 80 it's still 2 points towards the standings and winning now helps to avoid that desperation situation late in the season.

It's not embarassing to have the opinion it wasn't the best choice for Brouer because most posters who do seem to be still happy what he did regardless: a good choice vs a better choice, if you will. Also, as some posters wrote, Brouer probably didn't know of the call on Brown or the unpredictable zebras / Brown reaction affected his decision... nevermind the Flames PP issues that had already shifted momentum in the 2nd. In the end, both perspectives are valid

What could be embarrassing is "Brouer".

[Gaskal]

I feel that those who are siding with the whole "Brouwer should have held back" aren't taking effects external to the game into consideration, and are judging more by potential effect to the game outcome itself.

You absolutely do not let the other teams around the league watch as someone with a relatively dirty reputation take liberties on your important players with zero threat of repercussion, least of all your captain. That just opens the floodgates, especially earlier on in the season.

This passage from "Why We Fight" by Brandon Prust illustrates perfectly why Brouwer is happy to take that penalty, as well as the thought process behind a challenge during such a close game. Here, he is describing what happened after Stoner took a run at Pacioretty:

It’s a 2-1 game in the third period and we’re playing one of the best teams in the league. Anaheim is in the West, so it’s not like I have to set some precedent for a rivalry. We only play them twice a year.

I rarely fight in the third period of a close game, because I don’t want to be sitting in the penalty box, feeling shame. I want to be out there. On the other hand, Max is arguably our best player and he just got hit from behind while trying to make a hockey play.

Part of me wants to stay involved in the game, and part of me wants to get revenge. I’m sitting on the bench thinking, “Okay, I could let this go, but what happens when the rest of the league sees that hit and we don’t do anything about it?”

What happens if, in some alternate universe, Brouwer had just pulled 'The Erixon' instead?

Brown goes to the box, we get a bit of a powerplay instead of starting as 3v3, and likely we win still. But then you get other players watching this game who are thinking to themselves, "Well - Troy isn't exactly reacting, even if it's his captain and fellow vet being roughed up. And if he didn't take offense to something like this, what else can I get away with?"

I think the sight of Hamonic laying a beating on Perry without any hesitation woke Troy up a bit.

[sureLoss]

Interesting speculation

@TSNSimmer: Give Jagr 10 games. If he's not feeling it. I think he steps away. @TSN1200

[jaikorven]

Well, it would open up another spot...

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dislike Brouwer as much or more than the next person but I cannot criticize him in the least for that, in fact I'll even praise him for it.

Take the penalty, I dont care.

This season's Brouwer has been lightyears better than last season's thus far. I hope he keeps it up.

In what way has he been better? Because we have won 3 in a row? In which he has had zero contribution? Or because he finally stuck up for a teammate?

Sometimes a win streak makes people forgive bad play by individual players or be blinded by it but Brouwer has been average to down right awful in every game so far. Just like he was last season.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

In what way has he been better? Because we have won 3 in a row? In which he has had zero contribution? Or because he finally stuck up for a teammate?

Sometimes a win streak makes people forgive bad play by individual players or be blinded by it but Brouwer has been average to down right awful in every game so far. Just like he was last season.

Sometimes people have blinders on and can't be rational about a subject. If you don't think there is a difference in his game from last year year then I don't know if it is worth a debate.

[Huntingwhale]

When Johnny's hands were getting hacked last season not a single person piped up how great it was the team did nothing, or how great it was the Flames didn't get a penalty on Staal's slash. The universal attitude on CP was that not only should it have been called a penalty, but someone should have paid the price on the opposing team.

Why is this different now? Our captain literally got cross checked and people are expecting Brouwer to...skate away? To turn the other cheek like the team did when Gaudreau got hacked? Brouwer got hung to dry with his comments afterwards about it being normal. "You were brought here to do something about this'' screamed the people. Well folks, Brouwer did something. He sent a message about it being unacceptable.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

In what way has he been better? Because we have won 3 in a row? In which he has had zero contribution? Or because he finally stuck up for a teammate?

Sometimes a win streak makes people forgive bad play by individual players or be blinded by it but Brouwer has been average to down right awful in every game so far. Just like he was last season.

Because hes finally contributing.


Look, we're not going to like Brouwer on the scoresheet or his stats or his salary, I think that ship has sailed, but there are other ways for him to contribute which I believe were expected but not forthcoming, but now they're happening.

Take what you can get. The guy is here and getting paid. Those facts are unlikely to change.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

When Johnny's hands were getting hacked last season not a single person piped up how great it was the team did nothing, or how great it was the Flames didn't get a penalty on Staal's slash. The universal attitude on CP was that not only should it have been called a penalty, but someone should have paid the price on the opposing team.

Why is this different now? Our captain literally got cross checked and people are expecting Brouwer to...skate away? To turn the other cheek like the team did when Gaudreau got hacked? Brouwer got hung to dry with his comments afterwards about it being normal. "You were brought here to do something about this'' screamed the people. Well folks, Brouwer did something. He sent a message about it being unacceptable.

Brouwer did what was right.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Interesting speculation

@TSNSimmer: Give Jagr 10 games. If he's not feeling it. I think he steps away. @TSN1200

Dunno where this thought process of his is coming from.

Jagr was still serviceable on the 3rd line even while sucking wind on the bench all game, ending up a -1, and after blowing a tire in his first shift. I also believe his linemates Bennett and Versteeg were the only two players above 50% possession that game.

Jaromir should look better as he gets more into game shape, not the other way around.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

When Johnny's hands were getting hacked last season not a single person piped up how great it was the team did nothing, or how great it was the Flames didn't get a penalty on Staal's slash. The universal attitude on CP was that not only should it have been called a penalty, but someone should have paid the price on the opposing team.

Why is this different now? Our captain literally got cross checked and people are expecting Brouwer to...skate away? To turn the other cheek like the team did when Gaudreau got hacked? Brouwer got hung to dry with his comments afterwards about it being normal. "You were brought here to do something about this'' screamed the people. Well folks, Brouwer did something. He sent a message about it being unacceptable.

But...not doing anything meant the Flames could have had a power play in a tie game late in Game 4 of the season that they ended up winning anyways!

We need to learn from the best and not retaliate or help a teammate.





I'm glad Brouwer did something.