[PGT] Flames beat Kings 4-3 in OT

[CroFlames]

That Brown crosscheck was even more viscous the more I look at it. I'd livid right now if Brouwer didn't react to a clear intent to injure the Captain. It was right in the spot between the shoulder pad and elbow bad.

It was a really hard crosscheck.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's nice that Flames have started with some w's on the road but those are still a lot of shots. Especially in LA. Right now, it seems they need to avoid the stretches of putrid play where they just get owned.

Point is, glad we are discussing this while they have a winning record.

One point on the shots - GG did mention in an interview that the league has mandated a much more relaxed ruling of what gets counted as a shot now. Flames are still the worst in the league but shots in general are up around the league. 30 is an above average number so far (Flames are above 40 so a loooong way to go to even be average)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That Brown crosscheck was even more viscous the more I look at it. I'd livid right now if Brouwer didn't react to a clear intent to injure the Captain. It was right in the spot between the shoulder pad and elbow bad.

It was a really hard crosscheck.

yeah lucky Gio braced for it or it could have been a broken arm.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's nice that Flames have started with some w's on the road but those are still a lot of shots. Especially in LA. Right now, it seems they need to avoid the stretches of putrid play where they just get owned.

Point is, glad we are discussing this while they have a winning record.

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

It's a little bit concerning but I trust the coaching staff to tighten things up in the coming weeks. Important to note that it's not like they were heavily out shot last night. They gave up over 40 shots but they also put 37 shots on net. I would be a lot more concerned if they were out shot by a large margin

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree that Smith faced too many shots. That said, keep in mind this was the LA Kings' shot counter, who is notoriously homerish. He had the shots 15-13 for LA in the first that was dominated by Calgary...

I crunched some numbers, and like I suspected shot totals are up by a MASSIVE margin this season—for whatever reason. Through the first 51 games last year there were 23 teams who tallied +35 SOG (22.5%), and 6 games in which that total crested 40 (5.8%). But this year so far through 50 games, teams have fired +35 SOG 43 times (43% = +20.5%), and 23(!) times that number has been over 40 (23% = +17.2%). Last year there were a total of 5 games in which one team managed +50 SOG, and just a mere week into the season that has already happened once.

While the Flames have surrendered too high a number of SOG in three of their first four games, this is less of a concern given the current league-wide trend.

[Locke]

Look guys, Chucky is just a concerned citizen.

In this day and age of low oil prices and foreign home ownership hes trying to stimulate the economy by having a new mouthguard every single game.

The average mouthguard retails for about $8, the really good ones are double that and I think an NHL player would go for those, so thats like $1600 a year to the local 'mouthguard retail' industry.

Cant go wrong.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

One point on the shots - GG did mention in an interview that the league has mandated a much more relaxed ruling of what gets counted as a shot now. Flames are still the worst in the league but shots in general are up around the league. 30 is an above average number so far (Flames are above 40 so a loooong way to go to even be average)

I still have to watch the 3rd and OT (seen the high lights) but you would have to work pretty hard to convince me that Anaheim had 43 shots the other night.

[TheIronMaiden]

does anyone have a number for what percentage of those shots were from "high danger" areas?

[sa226]

Most people seem to be writing off the Kings after their 2 year downward spiral. But they seem to be a team that could be on a bit of a resurgence.

They are playing a more uptempo game and there are still a number of very good players on that team. I think they could surprise.

That was the best I've seen Kopitar play in a long time. He was dominant.

Brown, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Quick.

Those are some good players. With the lack of playoffs for those guys....they have less mileage on them too.

[Royle9]

I honestly cant believe how big of a whiner Doughty has transcended into becoming. It's comical just how much he does it, and his dives make it even worse.

That hit by Frolik (Who rarely throws the body) was a medium hit at best and Doughty crumpled into the boards like he just got trolly tracked into oblivion and then proceeded to stay down for a breather for 45 seconds.

When is Doughty just going to sack up and take Tkachuk on 1v1? The guy talks a big game, whines even more and yaps at Tkachuk every shift they are out there together but still has yet to stand up for himself? Guys a joke, it irks me to watch him out there playing like a little baby night in and night out. Cant wait until round 2 vs Flames I hope we really take it to him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

One point on the shots - GG did mention in an interview that the league has mandated a much more relaxed ruling of what gets counted as a shot now. Flames are still the worst in the league but shots in general are up around the league. 30 is an above average number so far (Flames are above 40 so a loooong way to go to even be average)

Not even close. The League average is currently 34.5, and I would guess that the Flames total is currently so high in large part because they have played 3/4 games on the road. Five of the top six teams in shots allowed have one thing in common: all of them have played only one home game.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I crunched some numbers, and like I suspected shot totals are up by a MASSIVE margin this season—for whatever reason. Through the first 51 games last year there were 23 teams who tallied +35 SOG (22.5%), and 6 games in which that total crested 40 (5.8%). But this year so far through 50 games, teams have fired +35 SOG 43 times (43% = +20.5%), and 23(!) times that number has been over 40 (23% = +17.2%). Last year there were a total of 5 games in which one team managed +50 SOG, and just a mere week into the season that has already happened once.

While the Flames have surrendered too high a number of SOG in three of their first four games, this is less of a concern given the current league-wide trend.

I can't recall at the moment which interview it was in, but on the Flames site in one of the Gulutzan interviews or scrums (I think it was either the Anaheim post-game or from the next days practice) he revealed that there was a league wide mandate this season for shot counters to start counting basically every time the puck reaches the net as a shot -even if it is inadvertent. The reason was to cut down on discrepancies between buildings. He said that he expected shot totals to be much higher this season.

[tvp2003]

Sorry, late to the party:

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Watching that, Brouwer's eyes were on Brown, and he might not have seen the ref (even as close as he was). Or he might have thought Brown would fight back a bit, in which case Brown gets 4 and Brouwer gets 2. Or he didn't care and wanted to punish Brown anyway. I'm OK with all 3.

I don't even think considering the penalty was an option for Brouwer.

Ref's arm goes up a slit second before Brouwer makes contact with Brown. Looks to me like his motion and mental decision to retaliate had come before he would have even been able to see the arm move.

That means we're not talking about Brouwer making a dumb play knowing that Flames had a PP but instead whether Brouwer should have anticipated the penalty call.

Given the total lack of consistency in the NHL reffing and how refs frequently screw up calls in scrums (see other scrum in front of Quick), there's no way for Brouwer to anticipate the penalty call. Beyond being a heat of the moment reaction, even if he thought about it, there's no way you'd guess any better than 50/50 on whether ref puts his arm up there.

[Locke]

I dislike Brouwer as much or more than the next person but I cannot criticize him in the least for that, in fact I'll even praise him for it.

Take the penalty, I dont care.

This season's Brouwer has been lightyears better than last season's thus far. I hope he keeps it up.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by AC

https://streamable.com/sm7qc

Yup, you take that penalty 10/10. This wasn't game 80 with a playoff spot on the line, or the final minutes of game 7. This was a player who had a self admitted piss poor season last season, is the city's whipping boy, and who is likely being shopped around the league. Literally every single person on CP has been begging for him to start showing some emotion on the ice. He sticks up for the captain and finally starts doing what he's supposed to be doing.

The day he does that someone posts how it was a bad thing, and multiple people actually 'thanked' it.

Embarassing

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not even close. The League average is currently 34.5, and I would guess that the Flames total is currently so high in large part because they have played 3/4 games on the road. Five of the top six teams in shots allowed have one thing in common: all of them have played only one home game.

This is a good observation, and seems to have merit. Thanks.

Even so, I think the high shots against provides a very good opportunity for the coaching staff to have something to latch on to to help drive the players to he better in the midst of a 3 game winning streak.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by sa226

Most people seem to be writing off the Kings after their 2 year downward spiral. But they seem to be a team that could be on a bit of a resurgence.

They are playing a more uptempo game and there are still a number of very good players on that team. I think they could surprise.

That was the best I've seen Kopitar play in a long time. He was dominant.

Brown, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Quick.

Those are some good players. With the lack of playoffs for those guys....they have less mileage on them too.

The Kings are capable of making the playoffs, but the days of being Stanley Cup contenders are long gone and won't be back anytime soon because of a bunch of bad contracts for 30+ year old players.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Even if Brouwer taking a penalty had cost us the game somehow, Id still say he did the right thing. Flames give a **** meter needs to be higher. They need to protect each other and stick up for each other. Glad he did what he did and I hope the flames continue to do this the rest of the season.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by sa226

Most people seem to be writing off the Kings after their 2 year downward spiral. But they seem to be a team that could be on a bit of a resurgence.

Yep they still have some high-end players, but their depth is not nearly the same as their Cup winning teams. In particular their D past Doughty is looking pretty thin.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by huntingwhale

yup, you take that penalty 10/10. This wasn't game 80 with a playoff spot on the line, or the final minutes of game 7. This was a player who had a self admitted piss poor season last season, is the city's whipping boy, and who is likely being shopped around the league. Literally every single person on cp has been begging for him to start showing some emotion on the ice. He sticks up for the captain and finally starts doing what he's supposed to be doing.

The day he does that someone posts how it was a bad thing, and multiple people actually 'thanked' it.

Embarassing

amen!