Cro, can you provide a definition on assault rifle please?
I have practiced many assaults with a semi automatic.
People are conflating two terms. An assault rifle is select fire, an assault weapon in the US is defined in legislation to include semi-auto firearms based on appearance
Some of the reasoning against gun control is so out of whack. "They'll buy them on the black market, anyway". Sure, maybe, but it would take a hell of a long time to accumulate 30 some odd guns on the black market without raising some suspicion. Even if a maid at the hotel managed to spot the guns in his room, could they even have done anything?
Aren't there already enough guns in America anyway? Do they wear out that frequently that they still need to be manufactured for civilians? They need to start looking outward, do Australia, Canada, UK, Japan have such problems? We have large cities too, so they can't blame the higher population of the states. I'd at least like to see travel advisories applied to the States, like they are showing for Mexico.
Are you still required to take shoes off at the airport? I can't remember the last time I did that.
I haven't flown through the US in a few years, but I still see people carrying American passports that will take off their shoes without being asked to.
Looks like most people in this area just hunkered down until they knew what was going on or where to go. You're basically a sitting duck at this point. Absolutely terrifying.
Looks like this is stage right, so I think this would have been farthest from the Mandelay Bay.
And LOL at the guy in the blue shirt at 1:15 still standing and casually drinking his beer.
Cro, can you provide a definition on assault rifle please?
I have practiced many assaults with a semi automatic.
When I was in the predominant weapon for the Canadian Forces was the FN-C1-A1. A 7.62 semi automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine and a aperture rear sight. It had two settings on its selector switch, safe and fire.
It was a gas operated semi automatic rifle with a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps.
The AR-15 is a 5.56 semi automatic gas operated weapon with a 30 round magazine capability with an adjustable rear iron sight. It has two setting on it, safe and fire.
It has an effective range of about 550 feet and a muzzle velocity of about 3300 fps.
To me there's not a whole lot of difference.
If the definition of an assault rifle is that it has to have select-able fire options as defined by the US army, then I would argue that the biggest change that should happen is defining what a civilian assault weapon would be and differentiating it from a military assault weapon.
Like undercover brother, I can simply state that I assaulted a lot of stuff with an FNC1A1, it was a military style rifle, the AR-15 has a faster muzzle velocity, and I bet it has a faster rate of fire.
Whether its automatic or semi-automatic at this point shouldn't matter when judging what is and isn't an assault rifle as I bet you can fire an AR-15 faster then an F1A1C1 because the colt has a more effective firing design.
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Cro, can you provide a definition on assault rifle please?
I have practiced many assaults with a semi automatic.
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Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll
People are conflating two terms. An assault rifle is select fire, an assault weapon in the US is defined in legislation to include semi-auto firearms based on appearance
Basically what this guy said. A select fire between semi and fully auto makes it a true assault rifle. A pure semi-auto doesn't constitute an assault rifle, but it's mostly just semantics.
I've come across many a gun nut in the US who immediately will dismiss you if you equate an AR to an assault rifle, so I try to keep my arguments tight when debating them, and encourage others to do so as well.
And just so we are clear, I'm of the opinion that regular folks do not need AR-15s and these should be banned. Only people who go through the same training and licensing similar to Canada should be able to own one.
When I was in the predominant weapon for the Canadian Forces was the FN-C1-A1. A 7.62 semi automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine and a aperture rear sight. It had two settings on its selector switch, safe and fire.
It was a gas operated semi automatic rifle with a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps.
The AR-15 is a 5.56 semi automatic gas operated weapon with a 30 round magazine capability with an adjustable rear iron sight. It has two setting on it, safe and fire.
It has an effective range of about 550 feet and a muzzle velocity of about 3300 fps.
To me there's not a whole lot of difference.
If the definition of an assault rifle is that it has to have select-able fire options as defined by the US army, then I would argue that the biggest change that should happen is defining what a civilian assault weapon would be and differentiating it from a military assault weapon.
Like undercover brother, I can simply state that I assaulted a lot of stuff with an FNC1A1, it was a military style rifle, the AR-15 has a faster muzzle velocity, and I bet it has a faster rate of fire.
Whether its automatic or semi-automatic at this point shouldn't matter when judging what is and isn't an assault rifle as I bet you can fire an AR-15 faster then an F1A1C1 because the colt has a more effective firing design.
C1 had a 20 round mag, the C2 had a 30 round mag and a bipod for section fire support.
I agree with you that there is no logical reason the civilian populace would need either or any of these weapons.
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Some of the reasoning against gun control is so out of whack. "They'll buy them on the black market, anyway". Sure, maybe, but it would take a hell of a long time to accumulate 30 some odd guns on the black market without raising some suspicion. Even if a maid at the hotel managed to spot the guns in his room, could they even have done anything?
Aren't there already enough guns in America anyway? Do they wear out that frequently that they still need to be manufactured for civilians? They need to start looking outward, do Australia, Canada, UK, Japan have such problems? We have large cities too, so they can't blame the higher population of the states. I'd at least like to see travel advisories applied to the States, like they are showing for Mexico.
You could swap "Mexico" for "US" and it would be entirely accurate.
Sure I get what your saying, but if you modify the gun laws, and force more stringent requirements on legal gun ownership, then you can effect make gun owners commercially responsible and open the way in effect to litigation against Gun shops who don't precisely follow the laws. In effect you take it that step further and state that if you don't follow the law and someone gets hurt because of that you are now financially liable for the damages caused.
that opens the way for going after the black market. I've argued that as much as its the fault of American gun manufacturers. You have the Chinese making a ton of money off of selling and smuggling guns into the States, same with Thailand and Russia and other nations. Improved port and border security has to be a big part of any gun control debate. As well as extremely punitive penalties for illegal weapons, and gun violence crimes.
A automatic sentence of life no matter what the circumstance for a gun related death, which even means if you accidentally shoot your kid because you thought he was a burgler.
If your a gang member and shoot someone in a drive through your never getting out so don't worry about earning your stripes in prison, you're never rejoining your gang.
Heck someone needs to take it a step further in my mind. No more semi automatic weapons for civilian guns, no more magazines, all single shots for rifles. for pistols, if you want multiple shots, you can have this snub nosed 6 shot wheel gun that is accurate out to 10 feet.
The old argument of we need our guns to protect ourselves from an oppressive government is BS. The American army has thousands of tanks, thousands of APC's, hundreds of advanced gun ship helicopters and close in air support aircraft. So if the american government ever decided to become really oppressive, your all oppressed. And some fat outs of shape militia guy with a machine gun is going to die gloriously and in a heart beat.
If Donald Trump really wanted to be a rebel president and show that he's not part of the swamp, he'd presidentially order the #### out of gun control and even though it would be struck down by the courts, he would have done far more then any other president on this issue.
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All rifles should be limited to one bullet at a time, manually loaded. But I know very little about guns, it just seems like there is no need for a civilian to have a rifle that can shoot more than one bullet.
All rifles should be limited to one bullet at a time, manually loaded. But I know very little about guns, it just seems like there is no need for a civilian to have a rifle that can shoot more than one bullet.
Civil war rifles with ball loads and caps
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Good luck with your mass shooting or drive bys
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My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
All rifles should be limited to one bullet at a time, manually loaded. But I know very little about guns, it just seems like there is no need for a civilian to have a rifle that can shoot more than one bullet.
Even a hunting rifle will have a 4 bullet mag.
All guns are dangerous, and that's why in a civilized country like Canada you need a license to own and operate one, just like a car which is also dangerous.
Having a semi-auto with a 30 round mag increases the damage a gun can inflict exponentially, and these should be banned for the civilian populations.
In case anyone is wondering how cynical the NRA is and how short everyone's attention span for these things are, the NRA has postponed the start of an ad campaign targeting Virginia in the wake of the Las Vegas shooting... by seven days. Was supposed to start today, will now start on the 10th.
In case anyone is wondering how cynical the NRA is and how short everyone's attention span for these things are, the NRA has postponed the start of an ad campaign targeting Virginia in the wake of the Las Vegas shooting... by seven days. Was supposed to start today, will now start on the 10th.
