[Rumour] UPD: Jagr confirms Flames have interest in him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Love

It's not like those offers are on the table anymore. He's losing leverage, not gaining it

until a couple bad starts put GMs on the hot seat

[Love]

Originally Posted by dino7c

until a couple bad starts put GMs on the hot seat

I think Duchene goes to Columbus, but it's fun to daydream

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

At the draft Duchesne could have been parlayed into two first round picks and two second round picks - doubt Sakic is going to top that now.

LOL. He can't trade Duchene for just draft picks, not sure why this is ever brought up. He needs somebody back that is NHL ready or close to NHL ready. Draft picks often don't make a difference for 5 years. Sakic cannot trade Duchene for assets that are 5 years out, its a total no go. They're already halfway through a rebuild. They aren't looking to contend 7 years from now, he has to start turning that franchise around ASAP.

It makes no sense to trade one of your top players for a defensive dman (Hamonic.) And it makes no sense to trade one of your top players for draft picks when you're halfway through a rebuild. Lets use a little common sense when we're evaluating trades. Lots of the stuff I've seen suggested makes absolutely no sense for COL. Two 1sts and a two 2nds is not what he's looking for, its not what I'd be looking for if I were him. It makes absolutely no sense. People keep saying, "yeah but they're rebuilding." They're not starting a rebuild from scratch. They need to find assets that are around the age of their current 'A' level assets. Landeskog is turning 25 I think, MacKinnon is 22. Rantanen is early 20's. Obviously if you're trading Duchene you're looking for at least one major asset in their early 20's to mid 20's. You need to support the core you're building around.

[dissentowner]

I think Jagr will be in St. Louis shortly. Just makes too much sense given their injuries and needs.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Jagr will be in St. Louis shortly. Just makes too much sense given their injuries and needs.

But weren't the Blues bringing back Upshall because of Fabbri's injury?

[Ring of Fire]

Originally Posted by Fire

Sakic would hang up the phone. Andersson and Gillies both could easily bust or top out as a bottom pairing defenseman or a backup goalie. He would almost certainly have better trade offers right now.

Are you sure:

June 26, 2015

Ryan O’Reilly
Jamie McGinn

For

Mikhail Grigorenko
Nikita Zadorov
JT Compher
2015 2nd round pick

He seems to like magic beans...

[Gundo]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

Are you sure:

June 26, 2015

Ryan O’Reilly
Jamie McGinn

For

Mikhail Grigorenko
Nikita Zadorov
JT Compher
2015 2nd round pick

Yikes, it sounds even worse if you say it out loud.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Karl

But weren't the Blues bringing back Upshall because of Fabbri's injury?

Sure but why not both?

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Jagr will be in St. Louis shortly. Just makes too much sense given their injuries and needs.

Besides the Blues and Flames, there must be another team or 2 in the mix. I would guess Vegas and maybe NYI? Lebrun doesn't think he ends up in STL but I guess lets see what happens. He isn't playing the game in Kladno, and as stated by others it likely means he's real close to an NHL contract.

"I won't play for Kladno because there are still some negotiations in the NHL. Those teams don't want me to play here and I have to respect that," Jagr said, according to iDNES.cz. He did not identify the teams.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

LOL. He can't trade Duchene for just draft picks, not sure why this is ever brought up. He needs somebody back that is NHL ready or close to NHL ready. Draft picks often don't make a difference for 5 years. Sakic cannot trade Duchene for assets that are 5 years out, its a total no go. They're already halfway through a rebuild. They aren't looking to contend 7 years from now, he has to start turning that franchise around ASAP.

It makes no sense to trade one of your top players for a defensive dman (Hamonic.) And it makes no sense to trade one of your top players for draft picks when you're halfway through a rebuild. Lets use a little common sense when we're evaluating trades. Lots of the stuff I've seen suggested makes absolutely no sense for COL. Two 1sts and a two 2nds is not what he's looking for, its not what I'd be looking for if I were him. It makes absolutely no sense. People keep saying, "yeah but they're rebuilding." They're not starting a rebuild from scratch. They need to find assets that are around the age of their current 'A' level assets. Landeskog is turning 25 I think, MacKinnon is 22. Rantanen is early 20's. Obviously if you're trading Duchene you're looking for at least one major asset in their early 20's to mid 20's. You need to support the core you're building around.

Then they are re-tooling. Wrong approach if you ask me, but I'm no Joe Sakic.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

LOL. He can't trade Duchene for just draft picks, not sure why this is ever brought up. He needs somebody back that is NHL ready or close to NHL ready. Draft picks often don't make a difference for 5 years. Sakic cannot trade Duchene for assets that are 5 years out, its a total no go. They're already halfway through a rebuild. They aren't looking to contend 7 years from now, he has to start turning that franchise around ASAP.

It makes no sense to trade one of your top players for a defensive dman (Hamonic.) And it makes no sense to trade one of your top players for draft picks when you're halfway through a rebuild. Lets use a little common sense when we're evaluating trades. Lots of the stuff I've seen suggested makes absolutely no sense for COL. Two 1sts and a two 2nds is not what he's looking for, its not what I'd be looking for if I were him. It makes absolutely no sense. People keep saying, "yeah but they're rebuilding." They're not starting a rebuild from scratch. They need to find assets that are around the age of their current 'A' level assets. Landeskog is turning 25 I think, MacKinnon is 22. Rantanen is early 20's. Obviously if you're trading Duchene you're looking for at least one major asset in their early 20's to mid 20's. You need to support the core you're building around.

If that is the Avs stance then it's no wonder that they haven't got a deal done. I really doubt that anyone is going to trade a high-level NHL ready prospect or young player for Duchene.

Like I said in this thread, GM's will just wait out the Avs....only 2 seasons left until he is a UFA. He had the best trade value last season....he has even less this year.....and next year - it would be maybe a 1st round pick at this rate...

There's a reason a trade hasn't been completed. Other GM's in the league aren't stupid. They know that the Avs have a gun to their head.

If Treliving REALLY wants Duchene then he's not forced to pay the price for him right now. Same thing happened with Hamonic....Treliving wanted him 2 seasons ago ...but Treliving waited...and got him for a lesser price than the Islanders were seeking 2 years prior...

Next year...Duchene is still going to be young...still going to be skilled etc.....and if he doesnt get him next year...then we can try our luck in UFA....

This should be a trade negotiation that Treliving should be prepared to lose by setting a price that the Flames are willing to pay...and if the Avs decide to deal him elsewhere then so be it.

[sureLoss]

Jaromir Jagr
@68Jagr
Look, I just tell my cat, there is a chance to play in NHL this year. ������

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Hahahaha. Alright, that's it. Sign him Treliving. Just pay the man, I don't care what.

[getbak]

Is your cat doing the drinking?

[Kev]

My spider senses are tingling and I have a feeling Jagr gets signed today.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Kev

My spider senses are tingling and I have a feeling Jagr gets signed today.

I'll bet you 68 cents that he doesn't.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jaromir Jagr
@68Jagr
Look, I just tell my cat, there is a chance to play in NHL this year. ������

Why does that cat have six inch long feet??

Only Jagr could pull off a pic like this!

[Heavy Jack]

Jagr on this team makes a ton of sense and gives of 3 amazing and different scoring lines throughout the top 9 and arguably one of the most dangerous 4th lines in the league.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Versteeg - Bennett - Jagr
Lazar - Jankowski - Brouwer
Stajan, F. Hamilton

Giordano - D. Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Bartkowski - Stone
Kulak

Smith
Lack

That is an insane line-up with solid depth in the minors ready to step in if needed.
I still do think Stajan would have to be dealt to make this work.

[Heavy Jack]

Jagr on this team makes a ton of sense and gives of 3 amazing and different scoring lines throughout the top 9 and arguably one of the most dangerous 4th lines in the league.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Versteeg - Bennett - Jagr
Lazar - Jankowski - Brouwer
Stajan, F. Hamilton

Giordano - D. Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Bartkowski - Stone
Kulak

Smith
Lack

That is an insane line-up with solid depth in the minors ready to step in if needed.
I still do think Stajan would have to be dealt to make this work.

[Fire]

A big factor on whether Jagr makes sense for the Flames is where does he fit on the PP. No point on signing him if he doesn't play on the PP. Who does he replace?