Mostly not get falsely accused by the FBI right before the voting day. Before that she was in a comfortable lead. That had nothing to do with Clinton, because there was nothing to those accusations.
(In fact there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the FBI got played by Russian intelligence, who inserted false documents into an otherwise legitimate leak of Clintons emails. It's the same strategy Russia tried to use in the recent French presidential election, but failed because the French were too smart to fall for such an obvious strategy.)
It's pretty obvious why nobody in the US likes to talk about this, because it's just too uncomfortable. What surprises is me is why so many outside that country are so eager to find convoluted alternate explanations to something that really has a pretty simple explanation. Plus there's the whole topic of how all through the election Russia consistently managed to insert their own talking points into the US media and social media without anyone seeming to catch a hint, and how nobody really wants to talk about it even though we absolutely know this is exactly what happened.
There's also the very interesting issue that the US intelligence agencies continue to claim the Russians were unsuccessful in hacking the voting machines on election day. I find this a very surprising claim, considering the following facts:
1) They made a serious attempt to penetrate the system in at least 21 states. (Confirmed by US intelligence agencies.)
2) They got their hands on classified information on the voting machines (confirmed by US intelligence agencies)
3) They have capable hackers (common knowlege)
4) As proved by DefCon trials (a gathering of "white hack" hackers), the voting machines in use in the US are generally pretty easily hacked even wirelessly.
So, even though we know the US voting machines are totally hackable, we know the Russians have good hackers, and we know they tried all over the country, the Russians did not succeed in hacking the machines. Even once.
Or alternatively the US intelligence community and really the country in general doesn't want to talk or even think about this.
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2) Take a principled stance on something.
I don't know, how about fighting for healthcare for all?
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As your president, I want to build on the progress we’ve made. I’ll do more to bring down health care costs for families, ease burdens on small businesses, and make sure consumers have the choices they deserve. And frankly, it is finally time for us to deal with the skyrocketing out-of-pocket health costs, and particularly runaway prescription drug prices.
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3) At least give the impression you understand the challenges average Americans are suffering through.
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Hillary Clinton is committed to meeting the climate change challenge as President and making the United States a clean energy superpower. At the same time, she will not allow coal communities to be left behind—or left out of our economic future. That’s why Clinton announced a $30 billion plan to ensure that coal miners and their families get the benefits they’ve earned and respect they deserve, to invest in economic diversification and job creation, and to make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century as they have been for generations.
4) Appeal to Bernie voters. Clinton could have easily kept the Democratic base energized if she had just embraced an issue or two from Bernie's platform. If she had just shifted from the center and broke to the real left on even a couple of issues she would have kept the base intact. Instead she fled to the center and alienated those very voters that would have carried her to victory. If she had embraced medicare for all, or eliminating the student debt problem in the country, or getting big money out of elections, or committing to fighting climate change, or anything that would have helped the less fortunate in an shape of fashion, that would have won over that block of voters.
Pretty sure she did all that
5) Know the battleground and defend it. Clinton lost sight of the battleground and refused to get out and defend it. She rarely set foot in the three states that lost the election, and that cost her huge. She barely went anywhere that last month of the campaign, thinking she had it wrapped up.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe she just overestimated the voters using logic.
6) Stay strong, even when you are weak or when you make a mistake. Clinton screwed up and showed her soft underbelly too many times. She didn't defend well, and she was weak on the attack. When she made the deplorables comment, she walked it back. That showed weakness. She should have remained on the attack. She should have owned that statement and showed, in graphic terms, the segment of the population that she was talking about, and make Trump wear that cross. She didn't. She was weak.
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7) Use negatives as positives. When she was getting hammered because of the email scandal, she should have used that to her advantage. She should have owned that issue and made it a campaign issue. That could have been her principled stance. She should have gone out there and said that, yes, she was wrong in using a private email server. Then she should have pointed out all the other politicians that have done, and still are, doing the same. Then should have pointed out that it was going to be her mission to right this wrong and make it illegal for the use of such systems. Make it a transparency issue and say you are doing it for the American people, so there is more openness and trust between the people and their government. She didn't and Trump beat her to death with this issue.
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8) Silence Jim Comey. She should have got out in front of this issue and hammered home that she had been investigated, to death, and the issue had been adjudicated. Convince the people that the issue was dead and cut the legs out from underneath Comey, so he couldn't have the October Surprise that cripples your campaign.
Pretty sure she did that too.
I think Comey screwed her more than anything she did. This happened while people were doing early voting, and I'm sure changed a lot of people's minds that were on the fence, and further solidified the crooked Hillary narrative for the gullible.
9) Be human and buy a personality. Clinton was as stiff as a Disney animatronic. She had the warmth of hibernating toad. She had opportunity to she was human, but she failed time-and-time again.
Did you see the debates?
10) Expose your opponent for what he is. There was enough dirt out there on Trump that should have buried him early. Trump has connections to the mafia, to Russian oligarchs, to child traffickers, to money laundering and fraud, and was bankrupt more times than anyone could realistically be allowed. Clinton used none of this to her advantage and did not crush Trump like the sewer cockroach that he is. For an experienced politician, she got schooled by the neophyte.
Pretty sure she did that too, but if voters didn't realize this about Trump on their own... they're just not that bright, or logical.
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I just gave you 10. You asked for 2 or 3, and I gave you 10.
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I don't know, how about fighting for healthcare for all?
Except that she didn't. In the quote you provided.
As your president, I want to build on the progress we’ve made. I’ll do more to bring down health care costs for families, ease burdens on small businesses, and make sure consumers have the choices they deserve. And frankly, it is finally time for us to deal with the skyrocketing out-of-pocket health costs, and particularly runaway prescription drug prices.
Not once is a real solution mentioned. Same old smoke and mirrors of making promises no politician can keep, because there is no actual solution there. All she had to do was utter the words, universal healthcare, or medicare for all, or single payer system, and that would made the case. What she said, and what you posted, was political bull#### that screams "I don't have a solution."
The other snippet about her ability to understand the problems facing average Americans.
Hillary Clinton is committed to meeting the climate change challenge as President and making the United States a clean energy superpower. At the same time, she will not allow coal communities to be left behind—or left out of our economic future. That’s why Clinton announced a $30 billion plan to ensure that coal miners and their families get the benefits they’ve earned and respect they deserve, to invest in economic diversification and job creation, and to make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century as they have been for generations.
That is not reaching out to Americans and telling them you understand their plight. That is more policy wonk bull#### that people see right through. That is an appeal more to industry than it is to the people who need help. Great, you're committing $30B to something, but what am I getting out of this? What problem for me does this directly address? Is this going to get me my job back? Nothing concrete. An if you actually look at that plan, it doesn't align with other promises and contradicts itself. Coal communities are not going to make the United States a 21st Century energy superpower. Suggesting as much is blowing dirty smoke up the keisters of everyone.
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Pretty sure she did all that
She did none of that, which is why there was still a rift within the party. If she had adopted those key platform planks, the party would have united quickly and decisively.
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Maybe, maybe not. Maybe she just overestimated the voters using logic.
Which means she was out of her element then, and an even worse politician than anyone imagined.
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Disagree all you want, but the results speak for themselves.
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Pretty sure she did that too.
I think Comey screwed her more than anything she did. This happened while people were doing early voting, and I'm sure changed a lot of people's minds that were on the fence, and further solidified the crooked Hillary narrative for the gullible.
Because she never countered the narrative. She never gained control of the narrative. She was her own worst enemy because she allowed Trump to frame her as he pleased.
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Did you see the debates?
Yeah, she was stiff and unlikeable, and that's coming from someone who supported her.
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Pretty sure she did that too, but if voters didn't realize this about Trump on their own... they're just not that bright, or logical.
What election cycle did you watch??? Trump owned the media cycle, good and bad, and made sure he was able to frame Clinton as he pleased. Clinton never fought back with any significant force, and failed at making anything stick. Trump gave her opportunity after opportunity and she couldn't close the deal.
People are not logical. They are emotional beings and will vote with their heart and rarely use their heads. Have you not read the hockey forum? People ignore their heads and follow their hearts all the time. Whether it be bringing back an ex-player, or what prospect is the next big thing, or what player to draft, emotion plays into every decision and logic is ignored.
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Lol, I watched 30 seconds of Kellyanne Conway this morning, ignoring my own rule of ignoring her since she hardly ever says anything true. She was asked about Trump's lying about his involvement in Trump Jr's statement, she stuttered and looked about as flustered as I've ever seen her, then talked about Benghazi. I never learn.
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Did people fight this vehemently over the McCain or Romney results? Were there people arguing the case for John Kerry 8 months after the election?
It struck a nerve. People think they're better than Trump and him winning was ludicrous, especially on the issues he won on. So much so people even go so far as fighting Trump voters. McCain and Romney are career politicians. Them losing is just like any other career politician losing.
I mean was there a CP US President thread in 2009?
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It struck a nerve. People think they're better than Trump and him winning was ludicrous, especially on the issues he won on. So much so people even go so far as fighting Trump voters. McCain and Romney are career politicians. Them losing is just like any other career politician losing.
I mean was there a CP US President thread in 2009?
Sorry, but I KNOW I'm better than Trump, and in fact, just about everyone I've met in the last 10 years is better than Trump. I can think of a handful of rednecks and rubes who are worse than him, but they probably voted for him and are beyond saving anyways.
It strikes a nerve because he is disgracing the office that has held so many honorable people in the past. When you start making Nixon look good in comparison, you've done a piss poor job of having the most basic decency.
It strikes a nerve because his policies are largely dangerous or stupid, or both. They're extremely regressive and do not use good information to back them up. If many of these policies go through, the country would be set back 20 years on social issues, and probably place the U.S. firmly behind countries like China economically.
It strikes a nerve because there are important things that urgently need proper leadership and sustainable policy. Trump can provide neither of those things, and only acts as a stubborn blowhard conspiracy theorist.
And lastly, it strikes a nerve because it looks like the majority of an entire party is ready to put country after party simply because the guy in the White House has an (R) next to his name. In the wake of what could be categorized as incompetence at best, and treason at worst, the Republican establishment has supported him by and large even though they know who and what he is. And yet, they have failed miserably to pass legislation of any meaning because the executive branch is unable to have even the slightest amount of modesty and humility to try and negotiate with the opposing legislators or even members of his own party. Master negotiator indeed.
This sucks for everyone, Republican included. If people are pissed, they have plenty of reason to be. It has almost nothing to do with partisanship.
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the thing i hate about US politics is the partisan divide and the Tribalism and hypocrisy that goes with it...
The GOP in the senate and congress going with the party line, even when they know its wrong... i mean outside of Collins, Murkowski and a late change of heart by McCain, not a lot a "Portraits of Courage" in that rogue's gallery... A guy like Dean Heller (AZ) talked a good game, but at the end of the day voted for something he spoke out against...because of fear of the super pacs and losing his seat in the next election cycle...
I am as supportive of the democrats as anyone, but i would admit that Hillary has some flaws as a candidate and her campaign made some strategic errors...
I mean, they lost the election, so obviously they weren't perfect.
I disagree that she "couldn't have won" like some people suggested... they lost the election by 114K votes out of 127 million votes!!! I mean, that's not an "unelectable" candidate like some posters are portraying her to to be...
Lol, I watched 30 seconds of Kellyanne Conway this morning, ignoring my own rule of ignoring her since she hardly ever says anything true. She was asked about Trump's lying about his involvement in Trump Jr's statement, she stuttered and looked about as flustered as I've ever seen her, then talked about Benghazi. I never learn.
I wonder if this is how newsrooms operate these days. "Okay, who's watching the sh*tshow today... Eric, you're up. Sorry dude. Try to take good notes so you don't have to watch it twice."
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Is it just me, or has the pace of this thread reduced even as the crazy keeps getting ratcheted up? Reflection of people becoming numb to the crazy?
The news is getting posted. There are just no words anymore.
For me this guy did and said things during the election that made him an instant failure in my eyes. So at this point I have no idea what can be done to change anyone's mind that still supports this s*** show.
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Is it just me, or has the pace of this thread reduced even as the crazy keeps getting ratcheted up? Reflection of people becoming numb to the crazy?
The thread always slows down on the weekend. As more ridiculousness drops this week it'll pick back up. It's a balance between the actual awfulness the Republican administration is a part of and the smoke and mirrors crap they do to distract everyone.
Is it just me, or has the pace of this thread reduced even as the crazy keeps getting ratcheted up? Reflection of people becoming numb to the crazy?
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The news is getting posted. There are just no words anymore.
For me this guy did and said things during the election that made him an instant failure in my eyes. So at this point I have no idea what can be done to change anyone's mind that still supports this s*** show.
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The thread always slows down on the weekend. As more ridiculousness drops this week it'll pick back up. It's a balance between the actual awfulness the Republican administration is a part of and the smoke and mirrors crap they do to distract everyone.
