That's a legitimate point, though. The media is routinely terrible at reporting these stories. Some of the public perception has to be laid at the feet of the people whose job it is to educate them about what's going on.
It is, which is why I said it was ironic considering the biased articles dion has posted.
Peter Kent should probably get his a$$ kicked out of the party. Its one thing to act like the opposition, its another thing to air your dirty laundry internationally.
Its no different from the NDP going to the States to try to kill Keystone.
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This wasn't just "some guy", this was some guy who was clearly a radical. Yes rewarding borderline treason seems the way to go.
Realistically, what could Khadr have done differently?
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You're always so focused on being politicaly correct that you can't see how bad the optics are on the payment and apology. Canadians were forced to rely on on assumptions, unnamed sources and conjecture drawing from all the usual reservoirs of prejudice and partisan bias in speculation about the political considerations
Rebel Media: the only true truth!
Based on what information have you made your assessment of Khadr? I'm guessing it's a combination of assumptions, unnamed sources and conjecture...in your case drawn from various ____ Sun papers. How many of those reporters have even visited Gitmo?
I'm inclined to put more stock into reporting from someone like Michelle Shephard, who visited Gitmo over 25 times to report on Khadr. That doesn't mean blindly believing every word written. She's a guest on Canadaland Podcast this week - 100% worth a listen.
FWIW Canadaland is as far left as Rebel is right, and makes me roll my eyes just as hard, though not quite as often. However, there is plenty of quality journalism in addition to "leftie rabble-rousing". If anyone wishes to provide any examples of quality journalism on any topic from the Rebel I'd gladly read it, as someone who likes to get perspectives from all sides, including the extremes.
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(c) perfectly justified anger that the successive governments bungled the Khadr file to such an extent that this settlement became necessary (on top of all of the other time and money that has already been spent on Khadr's numerous legal battles.)
Ding ding ding. I'm pretty far out on the other limb in this thread, yet I'm likely part of the 71% (depending on how exactly the question is phrased). And, as always, we need to remember that it's 71% of people that still have home phones with the time to waste on a survey.
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Haven't read the story so can't say if he was an idiot or not (though if Fox News looked upon it favourably, then probably), but I have a hard time being angry about someone utilizing his rights to free speech. Criticizing the content of that speech is, of course, fair game though.
Haven't read the story so can't say if he was an idiot or not (though if Fox News looked upon it favourably, then probably), but I have a hard time being angry about someone utilizing his rights to free speech. Criticizing the content of that speech is, of course, fair game though.
That's not at all the issue. He's more than free to be a total idiot moron. It's not the content, it's the larger point. Don't make us look stupid when we're about to renegotiate NAFTA maybe?
optically what's really hurting this government in terms of perception.
they couldn't settle this quickly and easily enough and in the back room enough.
Yet the disabled veterans are engaged in a class action law suit that the government is fighting and drawing out.
that to me is bad optics.
And as far as truth goes, Trudeau and his supporters keep talking about the costs here, the costs incurred and the costs that could incur.
Then disclose where the 5 million bucks in legal fees and other costs came from.
I don't know anything about the referred to disabled veteran action but, for what it's worth (a) class actions, by their nature, are far more procedurally complex and time-consuming than a typical action; (b) liability is likely more of a legitimate issue; and (c) the potential quantum of liability for the government is likely far greater than $20 million.
Also, not sure what you men about disclosure of legal costs? People suspect that the government is intentionally inflating the amount that it has already paid in legal fees/costs awards in the various Khadr proceedings? Why would they do that?
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I don't know anything about the referred to disabled veteran action but, for what it's worth (a) class actions, by their nature, are far more procedurally complex and time-consuming than a typical action; (b) liability is likely more of a legitimate issue; and (c) the potential quantum of liability for the government is likely far greater than $20 million.
Also, not sure what you men about disclosure of legal costs? People suspect that the government is intentionally inflating the amount that it has already paid in legal fees/costs awards in the various Khadr proceedings? Why would they do that?
to me if your going to do the whole cost justification as part of your narrative and talk about already spending 5 million bucks outside of the settlement, then frankly give us a breakdown so we can believe your story.
As far as the Veterans lawsuit, this is a story that's coming forward from the Veterans who are now linking this to the Khadr settlement and the goverments rush to settle while fighting them tooth and nail.
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That's not at all the issue. He's more than free to be a total idiot moron. It's not the content, it's the larger point. Don't make us look stupid when we're about to renegotiate NAFTA maybe?
Yeah, sorry, but no. In as much as I agree with the government's position on this one, we are a free society, and Kent has no obligation to withhold his criticisms because it might be inconvenient for Trudeau.
Yeah, sorry, but no. In as much as I agree with the government's position on this one, we are a free society, and Kent has no obligation to withhold his criticisms because it might be inconvenient for Trudeau.
Maybe we should have a conservative MP be a weekly guest on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox "News". They can trash Canada weekly until someone they like is in power. That's good for our country right?
Maybe we should have a conservative MP be a weekly guest on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox "News". He can trash Canada weekly until someone he likes in in power. That's good for our country right?
That's just meaningless emotional rhetoric. If you have any specific complaints about what Kent wrote in the WSJ, feel free to criticize away. If you just want to whine about how his freedom of speech rights aren't that important when they become inconvenient, then I would suggest that you and Kent likely have a common bond.
That's just meaningless emotional rhetoric. If you have any specific complaints about what Kent wrote in the WSJ, feel free to criticize away. If you just want to whine about how his freedom of speech rights aren't that important when they become inconvenient, then I would suggest that you and Kent likely have a common bond.
Criticizing an MP's (or anyone's) statements does not suggest that he (or she) should not have the right to make such statements. It's simply an opinion that, for some reason (in this case, perhaps the MP's duty to his constituents), he (or she) ought not to have made such statements.
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That's a legitimate point, though. The media is routinely terrible at reporting these stories. Some of the public perception has to be laid at the feet of the people whose job it is to educate them about what's going on.
Most experienced journalists understand how our legal system works. However, they've learned they get more clicks from indignant ranting. This is true irrespective of source or ideological slant. You'll see just as much outrage that betrays a misapprehension of how and why our legal system works the way it does in the Globe and Mail, the CBC, and the Huffington Post, as you will in the Sun or Rebel. It's just a question of which cases spark that outrage.
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And that is absolutely fair. But lets not pretend that Ressurrection's complaint is at all principled. He's responding entirely and exclusively because he dislikes the political allegiance of the speaker. If his emotional rhetoric had any meaning beyond "I think people I disagree with should be silent", then he failed to properly express himself.
Well, I'm including the Sun in the term "media", and as one of the worst offenders, so I would certainly agree with this. My point is that there isn't really anywhere for people to look to get good information - or if there is, it isn't exactly easy to find. Calling them lazy just seems unreasonable to me; most people don't spend a ton of time researching the political story du jour because they have lives to live, and it's just not a priority for them. We shouldn't begrudge people prioritizing their own daily concerns.
So it's hard to blame Joe Public for being unable to adjust their intuitive reaction to so as to take into account the nuances of the situation. And I can certainly understand how, to someone who doesn't deal with this stuff ever, paying out ten million dollars to someone like Khadr seems pretty terrible at first blush. As much as it would be nice if people didn't form such strong opinions on things they don't know much about, but that's a general problem with, yknow, humanity.
I agree with 99% of this post, but I'm sticking with "lazy" with the stipulation of: if you care enough to debate the issue, any issue, you owe it to yourself and everyone else to be educated on it. I don't really think the lackadaisical objection by Joe Public is important, or problematic, but I find the empassioned debates from people who aren't educated on the issue can only come down to laziness/wilful ignorance or entitlement to outrage.
It's not like I have to do heavy lifting to gather the facts on an issue, and it's not exactly difficult to have a measured approach when I'm not sure I understand the details.
Can you also excuse people who note the problem of bias media while only posting clearly biased media? If you're aware of the problem, don't encourage the problem, that seems like a basic human function we're all capable of.
You've got posters here, when served up plenty of information, just outright ignore it and instead make straw man arguments on how people who disagree with them are arguing in support of terrorism and al-Qaeda. If it's not lazy, it's mind-bendingly dumb.
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Maybe we should have a conservative MP be a weekly guest on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox "News". They can trash Canada weekly until someone they like is in power. That's good for our country right?
Yep it happened. Lol. The thoughtless windbag that is Michelle Rempel (I assume thats who you're referring to):
You're always so focused on being politicaly correct that you can't see how bad the optics are on the payment and apology. Canadians were forced to rely on on assumptions, unnamed sources and conjecture drawing from all the usual reservoirs of prejudice and partisan bias in speculation about the political considerations that went into the deal and the political embarrassments it was intended to avoid. Trudeau and his govt created a media firestorm that isn't going to go away anytime soon.
Thought this was too well written to be posted by Dion.
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Donald Trump’s White House had been “pre-informed” about the settlement, but all week Canadians have been obliged to rely on assumptions, unnamed sources and conjecture, drawing from all the usual reservoirs of prejudice and partisan bias in speculation about the political considerations that went into the deal and the political embarrassments it was intended to avoid.
^ Ha! The worst part is that I actually think that is a terribly drafted sentence for a professional writer.
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