Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Here's the thing, why not trust in the justice system to do it's job and come to the right conclusion instead of just settling the case. I don't buy the "it would cost too much" and we would lose anyway excuse. When has a liberal government, especially TrueDopes ever cared about responsibly handling tax payers money. This whole situation was handled terribly.

Because guys exactly like you would be going "How dare TrueDopes waste our money on a law suit we had no chance of winning".

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Here's the thing, why not trust in the justice system to do it's job and come to the right conclusion instead of just settling the case. I don't buy the "it would cost too much" and we would lose anyway excuse. When has a liberal government, especially TrueDopes ever cared about responsibly handling tax payers money. This whole situation was handled terribly.

Why fight it? The SOC already ruled on the verdict, the only thing left to litigate is the amount. Clearly fighting it was going to cost more than 10.5 million, so even if they got the amount to less than $100 it still would have cost us more than what was settled for. Plus they'd look like tools for fighting against a citizen who was wronged by the government, as found by the highest court in the land. I know right wing media doesn't like to include those facts, but there it is.

What I don't understand is the outrage over the amount. You know what it cost you personally? Somewhere between 30 cents and a buck. But oh, the injustice! Some guy got money from the government instead of the other way around, for once.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Here's the thing, why not trust in the justice system to do it's job and come to the right conclusion instead of just settling the case. I don't buy the "it would cost too much" and we would lose anyway excuse. When has a liberal government, especially TrueDopes ever cared about responsibly handling tax payers money. This whole situation was handled terribly.

I find it interesting that you are both advocating for and criticizing government over spending in the same paragraph.

That whole post was handled terribly.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why fight it? The SOC already ruled on the verdict, the only thing left to litigate is the amount. Clearly fighting it was going to cost more than 10.5 million, so even if they got the amount to less than $100 it still would have cost us more than what was settled for. Plus they'd look like tools for fighting against a citizen who was wronged by the government, as found by the highest court in the land. I know right wing media doesn't like to include those facts, but there it is.

What I don't understand is the outrage over the amount. You know what it cost you personally? Somewhere between 30 cents and a buck. But oh, the injustice! Some guy got money from the government instead of the other way around, for once.

They look pretty bad handling it the way they did anyway. So now our government looks weak and what message does that send the rest of the world? The amount matters in comparison to the compensation that veterans get for going out to fight these terrorists.

Well if it only cost me personally 30 cents to a buck why not make it a bit more and see what kind of justice could be served.

This wasn't just "some guy", this was some guy who was clearly a radical. Yes rewarding borderline treason seems the way to go.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Because guys exactly like you would be going "How dare TrueDopes waste our money on a law suit we had no chance of winning".

Not in this context. Even if they lost there could have been some positives gained from it.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Not in this context. Even if they lost there could have been some positives gained from it.

Such as?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I find it interesting that you are both advocating for and criticizing government over spending in the same paragraph.

That whole post was handled terribly.

The money has already been paid out, I just don't buy the excuse coming from Trudeau. Surely you must be able to understand that.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Such as?

Justice and precedent. Not appearing weak and Kowtowing to terrorists.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

The money has already been paid out, I just don't buy the excuse coming from Trudeau. Surely you must be able to understand that.

I can completely understand you not buying it, that doesn't make you post any more sensible

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I can completely understand you not buying it, that doesn't make you post any more sensible

What's there not to understand, I was taking a shot at Truedeau and his spending habits.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Justice and precedent. Not appearing weak and Kowtowing to terrorists.

Justice and precendence has been set. The appearance of being weak is your opinion. Your view of it as kowtowing to terrorists is just that as well. Mainly due to the fact that his history with al Qaeda is irrelevant to this lawsuit, and the fact that the SCC had already ruled in his favour, which meant he would be awarded some form of settlement. The potential risks in doing things the way you wanted them done far outweighed the potential "gains" IMO

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

What's there not to understand, I was taking a shot at Truedeau and his spending habits.

While advocating he spend more money needlessly. Nothing there to be understood other than irony.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

His treatment prior to having any sort of a trial is the basis of his lawsuit, it didn't matter what his crimes were. To put this into context take any other criminal case, the charter guarantees you certain protections, when someone gets placed into custody there are limitations to what can be done to them while in custody and how long they can be held without prosecution. If the government is aware this isn't being followed and does nothing(or in this case participates) they are complicit in violating your charter rights, it doesn't matter what you did or are being accused of having done to get there.

So... you agree with me then? It's frequently impossible to tell what position you're trying to take.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So... you agree with me then? It's frequently impossible to tell what position you're trying to take.

I don't believe he would have been convicted in a fair trial based on the evidence they had prior to his confession. This is strictly my opinion, but if they had enough to convict him before then you would have to think they would have simply tried him at that point rather then torture a confession out of him, I mean what did they have to gain by getting him a shorter sentence by confessing?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

While advocating he spend more money needlessly. Nothing there to be understood other than irony.

How do you know that with any degree of certainty? 10.5 million is a large sum of money.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm pretty sure you always want to try to get a confession. Not that I'm an expert on law enforcement procedure, much less military detainee procedure, but it just seems like common sense to me to try to get the actual story out. I'd think they would want intel as much as anything else. That's speculation though.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm pretty sure you always want to try to get a confession. Not that I'm an expert on law enforcement procedure, much less military detainee procedure, but it just seems like common sense to me to try to get the actual story out. I'd think they would want intel as much as anything else. That's speculation though.

I agree that getting a confession is the easiest way to prosecute, but taking 8 years to get it?

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

How do you know that with any degree of certainty? 10.5 million is a large sum of money.

Ever hire a lawyer?

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm pretty sure you always want to try to get a confession. Not that I'm an expert on law enforcement procedure, much less military detainee procedure, but it just seems like common sense to me to try to get the actual story out. I'd think they would want intel as much as anything else. That's speculation though.

Getting a confession and getting "the actual story" are literally polar opposites.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

How do you know that with any degree of certainty? 10.5 million is a large sum of money.

all the legal opinions that were interviewed as a result of the controversy of the decision basically said that fighting this was a lost cause...

could they have allowed it to play out? Sure... they've already tallied 5million so far on the legal proceedings.

the question no one can answer is whether the 10.5 million would be less or more than continuing to have that legal fight and end up paying 10.5 plus the associated legal fees.

could have been cheaper? maybe. There's an equal chance that the costs could have been higher as well.

[CliffFletcher]

I was under the impression that there was a cap on personal injury award payouts in Canada, and that it was a fairly modest number. I recall it being cited as one of the big differences between the legal tradition in Canada and the U.S. Am I misremembering?