Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2017 - Round 2

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I gave my choice. People criticized my justification for that choice. Then I defended that justification. So who was pouring water on who?

you.. on anyone picking parsons...

draft status is basically meaningless.. the next day... and especially a year or two out.. it doesnt matter.. at all.

[TheIronMaiden]

My favorite aspect of these polls is learning more about to capabilities and limitations of the Flames prospects.
In that spirit, why Parsons? Is it because he is a winner, or is it because he would fill what is the Flames biggest need? Is he that good, or is it because he might be the most impactful?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My favorite aspect of these polls is learning more about to capabilities and limitations of the Flames prospects.
In that spirit, why Parsons? Is it because he is a winner, or is it because he would fill what is the Flames biggest need? Is he that good, or is it because he might be the most impactful?

IMO, most impactful.

But a lot can change. LOL.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My favorite aspect of these polls is learning more about to capabilities and limitations of the Flames prospects.
In that spirit, why Parsons? Is it because he is a winner, or is it because he would fill what is the Flames biggest need? Is he that good, or is it because he might be the most impactful?

Kind of checks all of those boxes. He's that good. He wins almost everything he plays for. Fills the team's biggest long term hole.

And hell, he can score goals too.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/junio...is-first-goal/

[Cheese]

Has to be Rasmus...he is next in line to be called up.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Toss up between Parsons, Andersson, and Gillies. Parsons gets the edge over Gillies, but only slightly.

[MarkGio]

It will be Adam Fox for me until he's selected. The guy goes from a great USHL career to putting up one of the best rookie performances in NCAA history as a defensemen is simply too great to ignore. 19 years old and just drafted, the potential he carries is just unreal. You can't say the same thing about Jankowski because he struggled until his later NCAA years. Even Andersson wasn't the one of the best ever OHL rookie defensemen.

To me, if you compare the performances of all our products at the 18-19 year old age (comparing apples to apples), Fox and Parsons performed better than all other current prospects and therefore show the most promise.

But I find these polls are bias towards those who are closer to NHL level

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Has to be Rasmus...he is next in line to be called up.

ahh... but that doesn't make him the 'best' does it?

i picked parsons as the best prospect ahead of Janko for example because i think he has the most upside... but that might not happen for 2 more years...

edit^ agree with the Fox assessment...just his size scares me a little bit at the NHL level

[GGG]

I'm going Anderrsson, Fox, Kylington in some order before Parsons.

I still think Parsons only has a 10% chance of playing 100+ games in the NHL. Goalies are just so Raw. Granted his ceiling is Cup winning MVP but I'll go with the lower floor high ceiling defensemen first.

Fox is the most interesting to me based on one comment from Conroy. He said something like other GMs keep trying to get him thrown into trades the same way they did with Gaudreau. His trajectory also has been solid.

Anderrsson will be next for me. He'll be our number 6 this year and looks to have fixed the conditioning issues.

Overall this years prospects are interesting because we have probably 10 1B prospects and lack the clear number 1 like other years.

[dammage79]

If we are talking sheer upside, Parsons and Kylington should be next. After that I would vote for Andersson and then Valimaki. I'm curious though if the late pick Ruzika gets a bump as the prodigal 4th rounder. Then there's fox. Moral of the story, the top ten after Janko is likely going to be goalies and d men. And personally, I put Gillies ahead of Parsons still. Too much discounting Gillies especially following a year off and hip surgery. Watch out this season, he's going to leave Rittich in the dust.

Edit: after saying all that I voted Andersson, he's my favorite d prospect right now as he plays that well rounded Swedish d man game that always translates to the nhl

[mikephoen]

It's impressive how no matter how many goalie prospects crash and burn, they are always so highly thought of!

I'll believe it when one actually becomes even an average starter. Actually, I probably won't even then if I'm being honest.

I'll be voting Dmen for quite a while now I think, starting with Valimaki.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Has to be Rasmus...he is next in line to be called up.

If that's the criteria, you should be voting for Kulak.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by timbit

IMO, most impactful.

But a lot can change. LOL.

Exactly.

Only top 5 picks can just stagnate and have NHL careers, everyone else is drafted on where they are deemed to be on draft day, but it's what happens after that that makes these rankings.

Adam Fox was a third round pick because of limited size for a defenseman. Since they he has lit the NCAA on fire, and played a big role for USA at the World Juniors. That suggests a leap in development and if there was a re-draft he'd go mid 2nd round at worst, and possibly the first.

Jankowski was a late first round pick in 2012 and has had his jumps and his stagnant seasons. He finished college well, then adjusted to the pro game quickly and because of that his ranking is up because more uncertainty has been removed. Where would he be in a redraft? Not high yet, but where will he be?

Behind Galchenyuk, Rielly, Lindholm, Forsberg, Trouba, Andersen, Paralyko, Vasilevsky ... but will be interesting to see where he lines up with guys like Ceci, Hertl, Dumba, Maatta. He looks to have a chance to recover to his original draft position perhaps.

Just have to keep improving ...

[timbit]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

It will be Adam Fox for me until he's selected. The guy goes from a great USHL career to putting up one of the best rookie performances in NCAA history as a defensemen is simply too great to ignore. 19 years old and just drafted, the potential he carries is just unreal. You can't say the same thing about Jankowski because he struggled until his later NCAA years. Even Andersson wasn't the one of the best ever OHL rookie defensemen.

To me, if you compare the performances of all our products at the 18-19 year old age (comparing apples to apples), Fox and Parsons performed better than all other current prospects and therefore show the most promise.

But I find these polls are bias towards those who are closer to NHL level

I may be wrong but it seems like your evaluations are heavily skewed towards prospects' performance at the level they are playing.

While that is important, there is another very crucial facet in evaluating NHL prospects.

That being how they project as NHL players.

Size is not Fox's biggest challenge to becoming an NHLer.

Acceleration is.

His first two steps are not great and the NHL is a lot faster in every way than the NCAA.

If that area improves , he should be a no brainer.

[SuperMatt18]

Really you could easily make a case that prospects 2 through 8 should be d-men or goalies.

Valimaki, Anderson, Fox, Kylington, Parsons, Gillies, Rittich

(+Wotherspoon & Kulak if you still count them as prospects - personally I don't)

Then you get into a forward log jam after that point.

Foo, Dube, Mangiapane, Phillips, Klimchuk, Shinkaruk

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If we are talking sheer upside, Parsons and Kylington should be next. After that I would vote for Andersson and then Valimaki

I don't see how Kylington's upside is higher than Andersson's or Valimaki's? Maybe offensive upside. But the defensive upside of the other two are far greater IMO.

Kylington to me is likely a 2nd pairing, puck rushing, powerplay QB that needs to be sheltered defensively if he turns out. Andersson is like a more well rounded dman IMO and same goes for Valimaki. I'd have the upside of Valimaki and Andersson ahead of Kylington because I don't think they'll need to be sheltered. Valimaki has 1st pairing upside but likely 2nd pairing. Andersson has the upside to be relied upon more than Kylington IMO

These polls are interesting in that they reveal our biases. Obviously some of us are biased against goalies. Some of us are biased towards puck rushing dmen that put up pints whereas other posters will be biased towards defensive play, physicality, etc.

In my case Kylington and Fox will not be in my top few because I don't think their offensive abilities wipe out the concerns on their defensive game and size

[dissentowner]

It is Parsons easily for me. Would have had him #1 easily as well.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I went with Andersson.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by timbit

I may be wrong but it seems like your evaluations are heavily skewed towards prospects' performance at the level they are playing.

While that is important, there is another very crucial facet in evaluating NHL prospects.

That being how they project as NHL players.

Size is not Fox's biggest challenge to becoming an NHLer.

Acceleration is.

His first two steps are not great and the NHL is a lot faster in every way than the NCAA.

If that area improves , he should be a no brainer.

Yeah but so did Giordano, Weber, Chara, Hedman, and many other great defenseman. Unless he's going to skate the puck up or make some major pinches, skating isnt AS important among defenseman as it is for forwards. IQ, vision, body position, outlets passes, shots on net, and stick defense is pretty important for a guy like him.

I think skating is more important for guys like Karlsson and Subban because they like to carry the puck up the ice. Plus they skate back in order to defend because they get caught deep in the zone due to their offensive instincts.

Based on performance, Fox has shown he has the tools to be successful at what he does. Now if he defends like Denis Wideman (ie, likes to pinch), yes his skating will be a downfall, much like Wideman's skating was for him.

[Ulrith]

Was a bit torn between Parsons and Andersson, but since goalies are notoriously unpredictable year-to-year, I'm going with Andersson.