[Signing] Rangers sign Shattenkirk (4yrs, $6.65 mil AAV)

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by the2bears

In this case you most certainly are.

Nope. Try again. I didn't personally attack MisterJoji. He came in throwing totally unprovoked bombs at me, while simultaneously getting what I posted wrong. Which, granted, isn't totally unprecedented behaviour.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Actually, he's better defensively than offensively, and he's very good at both. Usually, it takes a longer term to get a top pairing defenseman who's under 30 years old in free agency. It's a UFA premium on the AAV but not a huge one... If Subban's worth 9 million (and I think he is), Shattenkirk's worth this.

If you're looking at his shot suppression stats you're ignoring the fact that he was sheltered in St.Louis. 60% of his faceoffs are in the offensive zone and he doesn't play against other teams top lines.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If you're looking at his shot suppression stats you're ignoring the fact that he was sheltered in St.Louis. 60% of his faceoffs are in the offensive zone and he doesn't play against other teams top lines.

Actually 38% offensive zone, 28% defensive zone, 34% neutral zone. And that's fair, "better defensively than offensively" was probably an exaggeration. But the notion that he's bad at defense is still wrong. As for competition, from a shot generation perspective, his opponents averaged about the same amount as anyone else on the Blues (his OPPSF60 was 29.27, Pietrangelo was tops at 29.76).

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah misspoke in that it's the ratio of zone starts that are 60-40 offensive zone to d-zone.

Still he's not great defensively, not a liability but isn't a true number one or two dman

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah misspoke in that it's the ratio of zone starts that are 60-40 offensive zone to d-zone.

Still he's not great defensively, not a liability but isn't a true number one or two dman

He definetely is a liability and has been for years.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nope. Try again. I didn't personally attack MisterJoji. He came in throwing totally unprovoked bombs at me, while simultaneously getting what I posted wrong. Which, granted, isn't totally unprecedented behaviour.

Lol, oh my god, you are an insufferable blowhard. I'm getting what you posted "wrong" because you have no idea what you're taking about. The only unprecedented behavior around here is your false sense of superiority.

[CaptainCrunch]

Anywhere close to that is too much for a guy that's not good 5x5.

Shattenkirk was completely invisible for Washington.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Anywhere close to that is too much for a guy that's not good 5x5.

Shattenkirk was completely invisible for Washington.

Washington wishes he was invisible. He was very noticeable...

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Big news here. Expect a four-year deal: twitter.com/frank_seravall…
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Hearing Kevin Shattenkirk is going to the New York Rangers. #TSN

[sureLoss]

News Update

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Shattenkirk 4 years x $6.65

[btimbit]

That's not bad. About half a million too much but for a UFA that's to be expected. Pretty good for the Rangers

[Canada 02]

I anticipate a buyout one day

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by the2bears

No, yesterday we learned that CHL is the victim.

Could you give it a rest? He is presenting an opinion, you really don't need to take it so personally IMO.

[calumniate]

This is a pretty modest move by rangers standards

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Could you give it a rest? He is presenting an opinion, you really don't need to take it so personally IMO.

Seriously. People get so unbelievably angry, totally disproportionate to what I'm saying... It's like I'm a woman criticizing the President or something.

Anyway, I thought the deal before was fair, and I think this version is slightly better than fair for the Rangers. I know, I know, hot take of all hot takes.

[Enoch Root]

well, $6.65M is better than $6.9M

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Could you give it a rest? He is presenting an opinion, you really don't need to take it so personally IMO.

Thanks for your concern.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Seriously. People get so unbelievably angry, totally disproportionate to what I'm saying... It's like I'm a woman criticizing the President or something.

Anyway, I thought the deal before was fair, and I think this version is slightly better than fair for the Rangers. I know, I know, hot take of all hot takes.

You lost me here...wut?

Clearly the disconnect is about player valuations, and while I appreciate you having a different position, you are pretty rigid on your player valuations and then you used the advanced stat argument to assert your rigidity. If anything, advanced stats arguments should create an impression of a player that is somewhat grey rather than being black and white, but it does help to inform.

You say that people shouldn't use correlation to indicate causation, and I agree with you, but almost all advanced stats are correlative to player success, not an absolute determination of a successful player or what value they have.

[sureLoss]

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Shattenkirk details #NYR:
NMC + Mod-NTC
2017-18: $8M
2018-19: $7.6M
2019-20: $7M
2020-21: $4M (incl $2M SB lockout protection)
AAV: $6.65M

[Sylvanfan]

As far as FA defenceman go this isn't terrible. Term is manageable and the salary is high, but it's not outrageous.