06-30-2017, 01:56 PM
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#201
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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The Flames were never going to have two rookies on the 3rd pairing. If it wasn't Stone, it would be someone else playing with one of the young guys.
If there's a logjam of quality, I think a guy like Stone gives you a pretty good way to recoup one of the lost 2nd round pick.
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06-30-2017, 01:56 PM
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#202
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Originally Posted by jg13
Lets say Bennett at 2.75, Ferland at 2 and Lazar at 1. Leaves us 4M to sign a winger.
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I for one an A-OK with Treliving turning his phone off tomorrow. We're going to need that cap space next year to re-sign Backlund, and Treliving doesn't exactly have a stellar track record on July 1st
If his plan is to stack the D and let the forward group grow, I'm on board with that. Flames trouble wasn't scoring, it was getting scored on
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06-30-2017, 01:57 PM
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#203
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
We get it.
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I don't think it's possible for someone else to get how much I loath this deal. Mark my words this is a Brouwer contract except on the backend.
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06-30-2017, 01:57 PM
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#204
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Yes, Hamonic and Stone are better than Wideman and Engelland. No, this is not a good excuse for signing an unnecessary bad contract that overpays a guy for three years. Those $1m overpayments add up and prevent you from getting players that can put you over the top.
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Except that we have a few million in underpayments in our already above average top four.
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06-30-2017, 01:57 PM
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#205
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Parallex
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He replaced bottom pairing dmen with a top 4 dman entering the prime of his career. Very confusing how anyone could be very upset over this move
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06-30-2017, 01:57 PM
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#206
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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People here seem to forget Harmonic is injury prone.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#207
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Think about this...
- 2017-18: Hamonic & Stone = $7.35 million, combined age: 54
- 2016-17: Wideman & Engelland = $8.17 million, combined age: 67
Top 5 gets better and cheaper.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#208
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Parallex
I don't think it's possible for someone else to get how much I loath this deal. Mark my words this is a Brouwer contract except on the backend.
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You're out to lunch. But regardless, you've expressed this the same way multiple times in several threads now.
There's no need for you to go on spamming your outrage.
It's been noted.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#209
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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10m should be enough to re-sign Bennett, Lazar and Ferland and get a quality winger tomorrow. If Tre manages to add Justin Williams to this team ...
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#210
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NOT a cool kid
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Yes, Hamonic and Stone are much better than Wideman and Engelland. No, this is not a good excuse for signing an unnecessary bad contract that overpays a guy for three years. Those $1m overpayments add up and prevent you from getting players that can put you over the top.
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It is honestly not that bad. Is it 500-750 more then perfect, probably. But you can trade a depth D in this league no problem.
Seriously man, comparing it to Wideman or Engelland is just plain dumb.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#211
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
I don't think it's possible for someone else to get how much I loath this deal. Mark my words this is a Brouwer contract except on the backend.
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You're doing your best to help else understand. Chill man.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#212
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jg13
Lets say Bennett at 2.75, Ferland at 2 and Lazar at 1. Leaves us 4M to sign a winger.
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Bennett is not going to get $2.75. His numbers are not even close to warrant that as a RFA. Guy will be on a 2 year deal at $2.25 AAV MAX. I would even suggest that Ferland will be closer to $1.5 than $2M per.
The Flames can still easily afford a $4-$4.5M winger in free agency. Plus Brouwer can be bought out or burred if he still looks like a turd after this year.
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06-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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#213
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by burnitdown
Ha - I didn't know bringing back Wideman @ $5.5M was our only other option. How about bringing in a depth D for $1.5M to to round out our bottom 6 with Kulak and use the savings on forward, where we can definitely use the help?
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The Flames forward group was far from being the problem with this team before last week. The Flames obviously feel Jankowski is an NHL player THIS season. The forward group looks young, but not one that "needs help" so much that you cry about a $2M, 2-3 spot upgrade on your bottom pairing D.
Good grief.
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#214
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Had an idea!
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Money wise it is fair.
Depth wise it is a good move.
If there is a no NMC or NTC attached it is a very trade-able contract.
Might have had to do the extra year and extra $500k to not have to do a NMC or NTC.
Injuries should be expected. A lot of people on here would have been happy with Stone as our #4 all year. Now we have a better #4 and a better #5 and people still complain?
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#215
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Table 5
They Flames were never going to have two rookies on the 3rd pairing. If it wasn't Stone, it would be someone else playing with one of the young guys.
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Sure... but 3.5x3!! Young guys don't stay young sign a vet for a 1 year contract then you don't have two rookies next year.
Treliving ####ed up royally here.
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#216
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Yes, Hamonic and Stone are much better than Wideman and Engelland. No, this is not a good excuse for signing an unnecessary bad contract that overpays a guy for three years. Those $1m overpayments add up and prevent you from getting players that can put you over the top.
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If your young d-men are good enough to push him out somehow and you can save millions to dress ELC players, then you just trade his very tradable contract.
Easy peasy dude.
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#217
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
10m should be enough to re-sign Bennett, Lazar and Ferland and get a quality winger tomorrow. If Tre manages to add Justin Williams to this team ...
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Adding Williams likely means bye-bye Backlund though
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#218
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
Even though he'll play in a #5 role for us, the think he would've got 4-4.5m on the free market as a 2nd pairing dman. So I think 3.5 is a pretty solid price.
Remember, there are always injuries...
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Yup. If anyone goes down (knock on wood) we have a guy to slip into the Top 4.
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#219
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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I like it... If the Brodie-Hamonic pairing doesn't have chemistry, Stone can step in as he showed he could play well with Brodie (and vice versa) last year.
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06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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#220
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First Line Centre
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Many will be eating crow come playoffs
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