2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bouwmeester is soft, both physically and mentally.

no doubt. However, i don't think there is much debate that he is a pretty solid defender.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Stapler (citing Spector) thinks the Flames are in on the Kris Russell sweepstakes.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...ys-nhl-insider

I've been saying this for a while. The Flames wanted to bring back Russell last season but couldn't fit him in. If the money's equal I feel he would pick the Flames over the Oilers but regardless I don't think it's a bad thing the Flames are in on him (I actually don't want him back) because it will drive up the price for the Oilers who I believe will be more desperate to bring him back given Sekera will likely miss half the season.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes...its goofy to suggest such. There are so many variables, even by the admission of analytic geeks.

You say the game evolves...Pittsburgh just won a Stanley Cup playing incredible DEFENSE...no goals allowed in the last 2 games. Who was playing shutdown/defensive minutes for them? Daley, Dumolin, and particularly Ron Hainsey. Who do you suggest was better on the back end defensively?





Who played shutdown defense for the Preds? Are you seriously asking that?

They all did...but they have an amazing group of 4 that can play both ends equally effectively...no other team sans a healthy Duck squad can claim the same.

OK. My mistake. I thought we were talking about Alzner types. If we are saying Subban and Ellis are the new defensive D-men types, I will definitely take more of same. Flames have 3 very good ones now.

[Ashasx]

Apparently Spector thinks the Flames exposing Brouwer will cause a big rift in the locker room, so instead Ferland will be exposed.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/c...draft-preview/

tl;dr he is a moron and shouldn't be writing for the Flames.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Apparently Spector thinks the Flames exposing Brouwer will cause a big rift in the locker room, so instead Ferland will be exposed.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/c...draft-preview/

tl;dr he is a moron and shouldn't be writing for the Flames.

As is obvious to anyone with more than a passing interest in the Flames, there is no way they expose Ferland. If the Flames (for some inexplicable reason) feel compelled to protect Brouwer, they expose Lazar, who has proven nothing, and make a side deal to keep him out of Vegas' hands if necessary.

Spector is so, so bad. Somewhat aggravating as a fan to have an Oilers writer handling Flames content.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Apparently Spector thinks the Flames exposing Brouwer will cause a big rift in the locker room, so instead Ferland will be exposed.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/c...draft-preview/

tl;dr he is a moron and shouldn't be writing for the Flames.

He also said that leaving Ferland exposed instead of Brouwer would be something the Flames might do in order to get something more out of it. Like Vegas agreeing to a Stajan trade or something.

I get his line of thinking there, but I still don't see it happening.

[Robbob]

Yeah, I have't clicked on his stories in years. It seems every time he writes something it has to do with something negative (which isn't a surprise coming from Edmonton, although SN publishing it is annoying) this one and the Johnny late to central park. He has absolutely no pulse on this organization and his ramblings are all wishful thinking.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He also said that leaving Ferland exposed instead of Brouwer would be something the Flames might do in order to get something more out of it. Like Vegas agreeing to a Stajan trade or something.

I get his line of thinking there, but I still don't see it happening.

Spector is completely oblivious. How would the Flames extract more by exposing Ferland? Why wouldn't Vegas, you know, just pick the exposed guy they would want anyway? So dumb.
It seems he is making it up on the "rift" front. I get it that he is a recent UFA signing, but exposing someone doesn't mean they are not wanted (even if that were true in Brouwer's case). Just business and Brouwer/Ferland/Stajan/Bouma/Kulak whomever surely know that.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He also said that leaving Ferland exposed instead of Brouwer would be something the Flames might do in order to get something more out of it. Like Vegas agreeing to a Stajan trade or something.

I get his line of thinking there, but I still don't see it happening.

And that kind of agreement also makes the Flames a worse team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Spector is completely oblivious. How would the Flames extract more by exposing Ferland? Why wouldn't Vegas, you know, just pick the exposed guy they would want anyway? So dumb.
It seems he is making it up on the "rift" front. I get it that he is a recent UFA signing, but exposing someone doesn't mean they are not wanted (even if that were true in Brouwer's case). Just business and Brouwer/Ferland/Stajan/Bouma/Kulak whomever surely know that.

Anyway, is he saying that Brouwer is more popular in the DR than Ferland?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Spector is completely oblivious. How would the Flames extract more by exposing Ferland? Why wouldn't Vegas, you know, just pick the exposed guy they would want anyway? So dumb.
It seems he is making it up on the "rift" front. I get it that he is a recent UFA signing, but exposing someone doesn't mean they are not wanted (even if that were true in Brouwer's case). Just business and Brouwer/Ferland/Stajan/Bouma/Kulak whomever surely know that.

I think he's saying Vegas would covet Ferland much more than Brouwer (brings up ties to Vegas AGM Mcrimmon/Brandon), and would be willing to help the Flames out in some way if they left him exposed.

He also saying if they leave Brouwer exposed and he isn't taken, it might cause some hard feelings after just signing him a year ago, which could be true. So to avoid potential hard feelings, AND to get some sort of sweetener the Flames MIGHT leave Ferland exposed.

For me, unless it's a really big sweetener I just leave the obvious guys exposed and let Vegas have their pick of Brouwer, Stajan, Bouma, etc.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Accidentally starting reading that article ,quickly realized it was Spector. even for him it's a half-assed article

What did we do to get get stuck with an admitted Oiler fanboy writing "informational" articles about the Flames.
I'm pretty sure some random blogger has a better insight on the Flames than Spec ,

[Toonage]

No kidding. Why not ask Roger Millions to do these pieces? He works for Sportsnet. He covers the Flames. Francis even does articles for Sportsnet.ca. Why not him? Neither are necessarily fan favorites but at least they're in Calgary covering the team and have Sportsnet ties.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anyway, is he saying that Brouwer is more popular in the DR than Ferland?

Which might be true. But if so, is there any doubt that Stajan is more popular than either of them. Does this mean they should protect Stajan? So dumb.

The only thing regarding Ferland that remotely makes sense, is (likely after the draft) Vegas trades for Ferland for a Raanta/potential 4D guy. I doubt the Flames would do it, but if there is value there, it isn't as if the guy is untradeable.

[Ashasx]

Protect Brouwer to lose both Ferland and Stajan.

It's so stupid that it might work.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Protect Brouwer to lose both Ferland and Stajan.

It's so stupid that it might work.

Maybe the Flames get a discount on a goalie as well? Of course, the thought of losing Ferly in order to get a discount on MAF is vomit inducing for me, but I'm no MAF fan.

I dunno. I'm no Spector fan, but at least he has reasoning behind it. It hinges on Vegas being very high on Ferland though, which isn't unrealistic. Look how much higher we all are about Ferland compared to Brouwer.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Maybe the Flames get a discount on a goalie as well? Of course, the thought of losing Ferly in order to get a discount on MAF is vomit inducing for me, but I'm no MAF fan.

I dunno. I'm no Spector fan, but at least he has reasoning behind it. It hinges on Vegas being very high on Ferland though, which isn't unrealistic. Look how much higher we all are about Ferland compared to Brouwer.

I still don't see the reasoning. We are in a much better negotiating position if we protect Ferland, an asset that Vegas presumably covets.

[Tinordi]

Brouwer's a big boy and must know this is a business. If he doesn't then his vaunted "in the room" intangibles are vastly overstated.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I still don't see the reasoning. We are in a much better negotiating position if we protect Ferland, an asset that Vegas presumably covets.

The negotiating would be done before the exposure.

"Hey Tre, we really like Ferland, any way we can pry him off you"

"Well, I don't want to but I can leave him exposed in the ED instead of Brouwer. We need something out of it though. Which goalies do you think you will take and look to flip?"

"Looks like we might take Raanta and if we do there is a good chance we flip him"

"How about we leave Ferly exposed, and then flip you Stajan/Bouma for Raanta?"

"Alright, let's get the paperwork drawn up"


Flames get a young goalie, give up Ferland and Stajan/Bouma to get him freeing up a roster spot and some cap space.

[Vinny01]

I don't buy what Spector is selling here.

Brouwer sucked huge in year one. He should be mad at himself for being a plug instead of the team exposing him. It is not like he was a fixture in the top 6 and scored his 20 goals 40pts and the team pushes him out of town.

The Flames are not going to lose Ferland to avoid Brouwer being a pouty pants. I can see a Ferland being traded for a goalie if thstnis the case but not simply gifted to Vegas