2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Wow, what a nice guy. Hey Pens, thanks for giving me that NMC and then pushing me out the door for some other guy. You don't want to have to buy me out and pay me millions extra to be rid of me, I totally understand and I just love you guys so very much I will forgo the millions, waive my NMC, and you can jettison me to an expansion team that has no chance of competing for the duration of my contract.

"Hey Pens, thanks for signing me to that very lucrative contract, that made me and my family very rich, and giving me the opportunity to win 3 Stanley cups. I realize I am getting older and have lost my starter job to a great young goaltender, but I'd love to continue being a starter so I'd be happy to waive my NMC to get more starts elsewhere....."

[smalltownref]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think there is a very good chance Fleury wants to go to Vegas. He knows he is the odd man out in Pitt 2 of his 3 rings were won with him on the bench when it mattered the most. Now he gets to have the option very few players get which is to be the part of the first ever big 4 sports franchise in Las Vegas. Fleury has won 3 cups and played on a perennial contender for 9 years. It doesn't shock me he is open to a situation where there is no pressure and he can just play hockey.

I find the truth to be somewhere in the middle. I don't think he's extremely upset to be leaving (new opportunity to be the #1 again), but I don't think he's too happy either (leaving a winning organization and having to uproot your family). I think that being asked to move his NMC is a lot more palatable because he has had lots of success in Pittsburgh, and the writing has been on the wall for a long time so it shouldn't come as a shock. It's one of those things though that if you get the taste of winning, you don't ever want to lose that.

Who knows, he might actually try to use his NMC to any extent he can by trying to identify teams that he's willing to be traded to (in addition to Vegas) if he wants to go somewhere competitive. My gut tells me that Pitts will try to do everything in their power to get him to where he wants to go (to do right by him) given the circumstances.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

confirmation that Sens have asked Phaneuf to waive NMC:

Murray Pam @Pammerhockey
#Sens have asked Dion Phaneuf to waive his NMC for purpose of expansion draft exposure. Phaneuf has until Friday 5pm EST to respond.

Who would have thought the Leafs could get out of that contract and it appears the Senators just may get out of that deal as well. Vegas better really like him because if they take him they may be stuck with him for a while.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who would have thought the Leafs could get out of that contract and it appears the Senators just may get out of that deal as well. Vegas better really like him because if they take him they may be stuck with him for a while.

He waived so they protect Karlsson, Ceci, Methot. I doubt Vegas takes Dion but they would take any of the other 3 if exposed

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He waived so they protect Karlsson, Ceci, Methot. I doubt Vegas takes Dion but they would take any of the other 3 if exposed

If not Dion, who? Hammond? Wideman? Burrows? Borowieki? Classen? Those are the only guys under contract and their pending FAs aren't probably attractive enough for LV to use one of their limited FA opportunities. Maybe Wingels in that category but that's about it.

[Kipper_3434]

Anyone expecting a big deal like the Subban for Webber one last year? Who has a no trade clause that kick in July 1st? No idea how to look that stuff up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If not Dion, who? Hammond? Wideman? Burrows? Borowieki? Classen? Those are the only guys under contract and their pending FAs aren't probably attractive enough for LV to use one of their limited FA opportunities. Maybe Wingels in that category but that's about it.

Any one of those guys. I can't see Vegas wanting the $7M per on Dion's contract.

I think the Sens are stuck with Dion and Bobby for the life of those deals

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Anyone expecting a big deal like the Subban for Webber one last year? Who has a no trade clause that kick in July 1st? No idea how to look that stuff up.

This offseason is being hyped as the most active in years thanks to Vegas. I also think the "hockey trade" is making a comeback with 3 monster 1 for 1 deals in the last year and a half (2 of those trades made by Nashville and they made it to the SCF). Seeing what how the 2 bold trades to bring in Johansson and Subban impacted the Preds perhaps other GM's will be more willing to take that risk. Looking st the Sharks, Capa, Hawks, Kings as teams with narrowing windows that might shake things up.

The next 4 weeks will be exciting as in 1 months time we will have a handful of new Players on the Flames and perhaps missing a popular player or 2?

[Weitz]

Lebrun speculating you won't hear anything about Vegas till the draft. To keep other teams on their toes.

[Toonage]

So the longer we all go without hearing about a goalie, the better for those that want Fleury.

But that would also mean the Flames need to find one to protect. Signing a backup would likely come this week in that case, correct?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So the longer we all go without hearing about a goalie, the better for those that want Fleury.

But that would also mean the Flames need to find one to protect. Signing a backup would come this week in that case, correct?

If Vegas has already agreed to select Fleury (because for some reason he's going to waive his NMC for the draft), then nobody needs to add another goaltender to protect.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960 says he has heard the same as Kyperos and that a deal has been worked out between Vegas and Pittsburgh where Fleury will be Vegas' pick from the Pens in the expansion draft.

Which implies that Fleury has already agreed to waive his NMC.

Hey Ashasx, your crow is ready.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=160211&page=4
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=160211&page=6

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So the longer we all go without hearing about a goalie, the better for those that want Fleury.

But that would also mean the Flames need to find one to protect. Signing a backup would likely come this week in that case, correct?

They can protect Elliott or Johnson without either being signed

[smalltownref]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They can protect Elliott or Johnson without either being signed

Really the only advantage to this is so Vegas CAN'T negotiate or sign either Elliott or Johnson (whoever we protect) during their pre-UFA signing window (from June 18 - 21)... am I correct in thinking that?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Hey Ashasx, your crow is ready.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=160211&page=4
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=160211&page=6

The whole discussion was based on a situation where Murray was left unprotected, and thus Pittsburgh would need to entice Vegas not to select him. The discussion is different when Fleury has (for some reason) agreed to waive, and now Pittsburgh can protect Murray instead.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I'm surprised how many people are breaking up the 3M line in their prospective depth charts. That line is very good offensively and elite defensively. No sense in breaking up what was considered by most as the #1 line for most of the season.

The point is that Tkachuk may more useful to another line in terms of complimenting his linemates.

For example Tkachuk may help the Gaudreau/Monahan line more than Backlund/Frolik miss him. Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk could be one one of the most dangerous lines in the league. Meanwhile Backlund/Frolik looked dangerous with Bennett on their LW and generally play well with anyone.

We shouldn't be scared to break up one line in order to make the lineup deeper and harder to play against.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The point is that Tkachuk may more useful to another line in terms of complimenting his linemates.

For example Tkachuk may help the Gaudreau/Monahan line more than Backlund/Frolik miss him. Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk could be one one of the most dangerous lines in the league. Meanwhile Backlund/Frolik looked dangerous with Bennett on their LW and generally play well with anyone.

We shouldn't be scared to break up one line in order to make the lineup deeper and harder to play against.

It would also help give Tkachuk more O-zone starts if he moved to the Monahan line. He's good defensively and was well served to get that experience early in his career but ultimately he's a player you want in the attacking zone as much as possible.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The whole discussion was based on a situation where Murray was left unprotected, and thus Pittsburgh would need to entice Vegas not to select him. The discussion is different when Fleury has (for some reason) agreed to waive, and now Pittsburgh can protect Murray instead.

This was the post that started it all.

Originally Posted by Jacks

If Pit can't work out a good trade, and assuming that Fleury waives, I wouldn't be surprised if Fleury ends up in Vegas. Pit trades a prospect or 2nd rounder (or both) to LV so that they select Fleury in the expansion draft. Vegas isn't getting Murray regardless but this way they get a good #1 goalie plus the picks and/or prospects. Pit gets cap relief and cash savings by not having to buy out Fleury and they can control who they lose to expansion. Fleury makes his full salary and gets his starter job back in a great city. Win win win.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by smalltownref

Really the only advantage to this is so Vegas CAN'T negotiate or sign either Elliott or Johnson (whoever we protect) during their pre-UFA signing window (from June 18 - 21)... am I correct in thinking that?

I believe that is correct. I suspect the Flames may protect Johnson if they do not acquire someone before the freeze

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

We shouldn't be scared to break up one line in order to make the lineup deeper and harder to play against.

No we shouldn't... but we also shouldn't be eager to break up what works. If we're moving Sam from C to W anyways I see no reason not to put him on the line with Johnny & Sean (and thus keep 3M together).