[Rumour] Kypreos: Flames still kicking tires on MAF

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Please no....he just isnt the guy he was a few years ago anymore. I'd much prefer to just ride Elliott the rest of the way.

I agree. As well, I don't think the Flames only issue is goaltending. If Treliving is only concentrating on getting the perfect goalie, he's really kicking himself more than the tire.

[Cheese]

Kypreos was pretty clear that he knows nothing about this possibility...he mentioned more than once that this was only his opinion and it had no basis on reality.

[PepsiFree]

Keep Elliott for cheap, acquire one of the few promising 25-and-under goaltenders that should be available, hope it's enough until Gillies/Parsons emerges.

Let Pittsburgh rot by either losing Murray or having to buy out MAF.
MAF is not better than Elliott. Do not want.

[Jacks]

If Pit can't work out a good trade, and assuming that Fleury waives, I wouldn't be surprised if Fleury ends up in Vegas. Pit trades a prospect or 2nd rounder (or both) to LV so that they select Fleury in the expansion draft. Vegas isn't getting Murray regardless but this way they get a good #1 goalie plus the picks and/or prospects. Pit gets cap relief and cash savings by not having to buy out Fleury and they can control who they lose to expansion. Fleury makes his full salary and gets his starter job back in a great city. Win win win.

[blender]

I would not want to see the Flames trade Elliott for Fleury.
Seems like a lateral move at best. Granted, Elliott hasn't been great all year, but has been playing well recently and Fleury has been riding on reputation alone.

Just don't see an upgrade there

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jacks

If Pit can't work out a good trade, and assuming that Fleury waives, I wouldn't be surprised if Fleury ends up in Vegas. Pit trades a prospect or 2nd rounder (or both) to LV so that they select Fleury in the expansion draft. Vegas isn't getting Murray regardless but this way they get a good #1 goalie plus the picks and/or prospects. Pit gets cap relief and cash savings by not having to buy out Fleury and they can control who they lose to expansion. Fleury makes his full salary and gets his starter job back in a great city. Win win win.

You think Fleury is waiving to be exposed? Not a chance, he would be much better off forcing the buyout in that scenario.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Pit trades a prospect or 2nd rounder (or both) to LV so that they select Fleury in the expansion draft.

Why would Vegas accept this?

Murray >>>>>>> junk

[Poe969]

And MAF would have to agree to waive his nmc. I don't see this happening.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No thank you to a MAF for Elliott trade.

Elliott is the better goalie, and he is much cheaper.

What $'s and term does Elliott want to stay here?

[PaperBagger'14]

Out of curiosity, can the penguins meet draft requirements by exposing Tristan Jarry? Currently a 2nd year pro, assuming he's either under contract or an unsigned RFA. It sounds like he keeps them compliant to me unless I'm missing something.

[Strange Brew]

^ and will also cost a 3rd round pick.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Out of curiosity, can the penguins meet draft requirements by exposing Tristan Jarry? Currently a 2nd year pro, assuming he's either under contract or an unsigned RFA. It sounds like he keeps them compliant to me unless I'm missing something.

Can only protect one goalie. Fleury has a NMC so they have to protect him. So the options are to trade Fleury, buy him out, convince him to waive his NMC so Vegas could pick him, or lose Murray.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What $'s and term does Elliott want to stay here?

Tough to say at this point, but it hasn't been a banner year, and there will likely be lots of goalies on the market.

I think a 3 x $3.5 or a 2 x $3.75 - $4 is a decent deal (assuming he continues to regain his form over the last 20 games)

[Inferno]

No thanks, I don't see him as an upgrade on Elliott for double the salary. If I had to pick between trading for Fleury or re-signing Elliott for half the cost I'd pick Elliott and use the extra salary on another position.

[Vinny01]

I think it all depends on how much it costs for the Flames to re-sign Johnson or Elliott. So far neither goalie gives me confidence they are a legit number one but they are an okay tandem.

I get it with Fleury. A lot of people think about his playoff meltdowns. He had amazing numbers last year and kept the Pens in the race before they really took off. He has played 60+ games several times in the past and is a legit number 1.

I like the 2 year term but the cap hit is high. I am not against acquiring Fleury but am open to other goalies. Not really interested in keeping Elliott

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can only protect one goalie. Fleury has a NMC so they have to protect him. So the options are to trade Fleury, buy him out, convince him to waive his NMC so Vegas could pick him, or lose Murray.

Sorry I wasn't clear, assuming fleury gets bought out, would Jarry qualify for their exposure requirements?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Sorry I wasn't clear, assuming fleury gets bought out, would Jarry qualify for their exposure requirements?

No. Jarry is exempt.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

No. Jarry is exempt.

So that opens up the issue of who do they expose if they buy out fleury. They'd have to bring in a goalie who meets the requirements or face the penalties.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Is it confirmed that Fleury would waive to come here?

Even if he will I hope we aren't offering a lot.

I read on that other board that the Flames weren't on Fleury's no trade list

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Frankly if we're taking Fleury off them I want their first. That could be a horrid contract moving forward and we are under no obligation to do them any favours. At least with our tandem, they are both done at the end of the year.

It depends if they are willing to eat salary too. If the Pens will eat 40% (2.3 million, which is about 400k more than a buyout cost but 2 years shorter), then I wouldn't ask for their 1st.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If Treliving is seriously considering this he should be sacked immediately. I would be hiding his cellphone and unplugging his office phone just in case.