Another Teacher Sex Scandal

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Reaper

So, if we were running surpluses you wouldn't take issue with him being suspended with pay? Aren't we just looking for all kinds of ways to be frugal.

What if you took them out of context. I suspect we could find a 16 year old girl that you find attractive if you didn't know she was 16 or your step sons friends.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by GGG

What if you took them out of context. I suspect we could find a 16 year old girl that you find attractive if you didn't know she was 16 or your step sons friends.

I think you're quoting a different post than you think you are.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by GGG

What if you took them out of context. I suspect we could find a 16 year old girl that you find attractive if you didn't know she was 16 or your step sons friends.

The difference is that he knew her age, he wasn't surprised by that. Like others said, it seems to be about power, not just the sex. I guess we will hear more if we find out he is guilty.

[Huntingwhale]

I'm not a fan of having his face/name plastered all over the news at this stage. Yet the alleged victim's name is kept top secret. Innocent or not, his career is effectively over. No one is going to hire this guy, regardless of the outcome.

All it takes is an accusation like this to completely ruin someone's life, regardless if they are guilty or not. Pretty scary when you think about it, as it could easily happen to any of us.

[CroFlames]

There is such a thing as attractive 16 and 17 year old girls. It's not like they all look like prepubescents boys before 18, then when they turn legal they magically turn into a woman.

Having said that, teacher-student scandals like this are about the power and authority of the teacher. It's abuse, plain and simple. Using your position of influence to manipulate a young person. The same can be said for celebs. It just annoys me though when people sanctimoniously talk about OMG that is so gross!!! a 17 year old?! Come on man!!

[Erick Estrada]

Man I'm glad I had boys. I don't know how well I could deal with finding out my daughter was taken advantage of like that.

[CliffFletcher]

We wouldn't have to go very far back in any of our family trees to find people married as teenagers.

[PsYcNeT]

"Excuse me! The term is ephebophile, not pedophile. Gawd!"

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Before this turns into a total witch hunt I think we need to keep in mind that the news article linked is really light on details.

It goes without saying that he has a moral and legal obligation to not be involved romantically with any students.

But we have no idea whether this was consensual, we don't know if it continued after she graduated, we don't know if he is a horrible predator who became a teacher just to prey on young girls or if they were generally in love and this was a legitimate relationship.

If they got married and were still together would we be as worried? Yeah he'd have to face the consequences of his actions because no matter the mitigating circumstances he did something wrong legally.

For all we know this girl's family found out and pressured her to come forward against her will.

I think it is a total oversimplification to say this is just about power and abuse. The idea that anyone can make that judgement based on the information available is asinine. No mitigating factors will absolve him of breaking the law, but no one can sit here and say that he's a predator with the information currently available to us. He's definitely an idiot though, that much is obvious. As the person in the position of authority it was his responsibility to shut this down before it became inappropriate.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

or if they were generally in love and this was a legitimate relationship.

No, there's no such thing as a legitimate relationship between a 35 year old teacher and his 16 year old student. You're a piece of #### for even suggesting that as a case.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man I'm glad I had boys. I don't know how well I could deal with finding out my daughter was taken advantage of like that.

It can happen to boys as well. Or is it only wrong when it happens to girls?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

but no one can sit here and say that he's a predator with the information currently available to us.

He's a predator.

There, I just did. It wasn't that hard.

Assuming the allegation is true, of course he is. Any teacher in a sexual relationship with their 16 year old student is a predator.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think the technical term for a 35 year old seducing a 16 year old is creepy socially maladjusted fracking loser.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

It can happen to boys as well. Or is it only wrong when it happens to girls?

You are going down a road my comments didn't take. I'm fairly positive I wouldn't need physical restraint if the perpetrator was female. If it was male I just don't know.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He's a predator.

There, I just did. It wasn't that hard.

Assuming the allegation is true, of course he is. Any teacher in a sexual relationship with their 16 year old student is a predator.

The worst part is, you had to argue this in this thread.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You're a piece of #### for even suggesting that as a case.

Easy there fella.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Easy there fella.

I don't even think it is worth responding to that type of crap.

I was pretty clear that he very well could be a horrible predator who needs to be locked up. I was also pretty clear that he had a moral and legal responsibility to avoid this type of relationship.

On the other hand there are a lot of things we don't know here. But if others want to overload on outrage and bring out their pitchforks let them. Why let facts stand in the way of some good old fashioned moral outrage?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Easy there fella.

You got to be kidding me.

A teacher is accused of sexually assaulting his 16 year old student (which no matter what the 16 year old thought at the time the correct term is sexual assault because he was in position of authority) and we have some jackass suggesting that it could have been a legitimate relationship because she thought she was in love.

No, that's not how this works. What happened was rape, calling it a legitimate relationship is the definition of being a rapist apologist.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

On the other hand there are a lot of things we don't know here. But if others want to overload on outrage and bring out their pitchforks let them. Why let facts stand in the way of some good old fashioned moral outrage?

What do you want to know?

Okay, first if the relationship took place or not. That's a fair one. Knowing if the allegation is true or not is obviously hugely important.

But under the assumption that the allegation is true. What more information do you need, what changes regardless of circumstance? It's still literally rape under any circumstance. There's no way for it to be a "legitimate relationship." Defining it as anything but sexual assault is being a rapist apologist and doing a great disservice to, not only this person, but anyone who's being preyed up or being groomed by persons in a position of authority right now. It's a disgusting attitude to suggest that it could be a "legitimate relationship."

For greater certainty, subsection 273.1(2) sets out specific situations where there is no consent in law; no consent is obtained:

where the agreement is expressed by the words or conduct of a person other than the complainant
where the complainant is incapable of consenting to the activity
where the accused induces the complainant to engage in the activity by abusing a position of trust, power or authority
where the complainant expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to engage in the activity, or
where the complainant, having consented to engage in sexual activity, expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to continue to engage in the activity.

[temple5]

I know its hard to find humor here, but if this happened in most European countries then this guy wouldnt be in any legal trouble at all, just an issue with his job.

I agree that ages are very arbitrary, if she is 17yo ad 9 months then she is a minor, if she is 18yo and 1 day then no problemo.

35 vs 16 is just plain creepy. I dont care if the girl thinks she is in love or not. The guy is 100% pathetic because he had to start trolling for girls vs women.

I do think this will happen alot more as the "sexual liberation" of young women continues. Dont get me wrong, if young boys could, they would also welcome the liberation, its just easier for women. You never used to be thought of as "cool" for dropping trou especially at such a young age.