06-01-2017, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nik-
The best decision is to let the Saudi's be overthrown so the people who take over can be in charge of all the money that comes from that oil.
Because surely they'll be a moderating force on that country.
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Countries should seriously outsource their presidents & prime ministers to Germany. If there where 25 Angela Merkel's running around governing the 25 richest countries, I bet we'd have flying automated cars, unlimited renewable energy and not a single starving child in the world right now.
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06-01-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nik-
The best decision is to let the Saudi's be overthrown so the people who take over can be in charge of all the money that comes from that oil.
Because surely they'll be a moderating force on that country.
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The younger generation in the establishment needs to take over and moderate. There has been infighting in the royal family with some princes being kidnapped in the past year and rumours of the king being behind it.
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06-01-2017, 11:18 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Absolutely. So long as the US (and other countries) remain politically friendly with the Saudis, then it's hard to argue their stance is anything but "light" on terrorism.
And it's really made every statement from Trump, to Obama, and beyond about how "terrible" each attack is ring hollow. If they're that bad, make the hard decisions, otherwise quit pretending that terrorist attacks aren't an acceptable result of doing business with Saudi Arabia.
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The US has actually decreased its oil imports from Saudi Arabia by about 70% since 2012:
http://www.worldstopexports.com/crud...ts-by-country/
Really hoping this trend continues and the USA cuts the cord.
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06-01-2017, 11:19 AM
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#24
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Countries should seriously outsource their presidents & prime ministers to Germany. If there where 25 Angela Merkel's running around governing the 25 richest countries, I bet we'd have flying automated cars, unlimited renewable energy and not a single starving child in the world right now.
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Wooa...easy there. Remember what happened the last time the Germans got a little big for their britches? Let's keep them contained to one country.
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06-01-2017, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Wooa...easy there. Remember what happened the last time the Germans got a little big for their britches? Let's keep them contained to one country.
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Some say the Germans are warlike and mean, but that couldn't happen again. We taught them a lesson in 1918, and they've hardly bothered us since then.
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06-01-2017, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by northcrunk
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"How can I make people take me seriously? I know!"
*posts link to Daily Mail*
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Settle down there, Temple Grandin.
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06-01-2017, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Some say the Germans are warlike and mean, but that couldn't happen again. We taught them a lesson in 1918, and they've hardly bothered us since then.
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To quote the Great Norm MacDonald:
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There is one country that worries me — not Iraq, not Iran, not North Korea. The only country that really worries me is the country of Germany. I don’t know if you guys are history buffs or not. In the early part of the previous century, Germans decided to go to war. And who did they go to war with? The world. That’d never been tried before. So you figure that would take about five seconds for the world to win, but no, it was actually close. Then about 30 years past, and Germany decides again to go to war, and again, it chooses as its enemy, the world…but you think at that point the world would go, listen Germany, here’s the deal, you don’t get to be a country no more, on account of you keep attacking the world.
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06-01-2017, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by peter12
To quote the Great Norm MacDonald:
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It's funny and I get the point, but when it comes to global invasions, occupations and colonialism; no country can hold a candle to Britain, France or the U.S. Britain's attack on the world took place over a longer period of time, but still killed countless people and contributed to genocides (or attempted genocides) across the planet; including on our continent.
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06-01-2017, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
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Considering the downstream and refining businesses the Saudi's own and are in the process fo building in the US, they'll never cut the cord completely without the Federal Gov't blocking it.
They're effectively building themselves a market for 5-6mmbpd of their own oil to guarantee demand worldwide.
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06-01-2017, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
It's funny and I get the point, but when it comes to global invasions, occupations and colonialism; no country can hold a candle to Britain, France or the U.S. Britain's attack on the world took place over a longer period of time, but still killed countless people and contributed to genocides (or attempted genocides) across the planet; including on our continent.
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Nope, this is mind-blowingly wrong. Jeezus, buddy.
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06-01-2017, 12:39 PM
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Why don't you say why it is so?
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06-01-2017, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagor
Why don't you say why it is so?
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Oh, let me introduce you. Bagor, that's peter12. He has well thought out (some would argue intelligent even) opinions on a multitude of subjects, but often prefers to use Trump-level discourse instead. We don't know why, but instead of being as articulate as he can be, sometimes we just get "Ugh, wrong! Sick! Bad buddy!"
It's a mystery we'll never solve.
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06-01-2017, 12:55 PM
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AltaGuy has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000.
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Colonialism had its horrors. And - yes - Britain, France and the US have committed their share of atrocities.
However, the genocide committed by the Germans in WW2 has no equivalent: the systematic utilization of a modern industrialized state apparatus as a machine for the efficient slaughter of people has no equivalents.
There have been other genocides. Nothing as systematic, planned, and evil as what the Holocaust represents, however. Thankfully.
I think that is what peter was saying.
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06-01-2017, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
that's peter12. He has well thought out (some would argue intelligent even)
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Hahahaha, this is just top level shade distribution.
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06-01-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AltaGuy
Colonialism had its horrors. And - yes - Britain, France and the US have committed their share of atrocities.
However, the genocide committed by the Germans in WW2 has no equivalent: the systematic utilization of a modern industrialized state apparatus as a machine for the efficient slaughter of people has no equivalents.
There have been other genocides. Nothing as systematic, planned, and evil as what the Holocaust represents, however. Thankfully.
I think that is what peter was saying.
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See Imperial Japan during WW2
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06-01-2017, 01:01 PM
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Pepsi, I just let my posse do the work.
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06-01-2017, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
See Imperial Japan during WW2
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He's suggesting that being meticulous takes it to a higher level of evil than simply race driven rampaging.
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06-01-2017, 01:01 PM
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#39
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Oh, let me introduce you. Bagor, that's peter12. He has well thought out (some would argue intelligent even) opinions on a multitude of subjects, but often prefers to use Trump-level discourse instead. We don't know why, but instead of being as articulate as he can be, sometimes we just get "Ugh, wrong! Sick! Bad buddy!"
It's a mystery we'll never solve.
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If this was a debate about fashion I guarantee he would have an in-depth post.
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06-01-2017, 01:06 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Ducay
Considering the downstream and refining businesses the Saudi's own and are in the process fo building in the US, they'll never cut the cord completely without the Federal Gov't blocking it.
They're effectively building themselves a market for 5-6mmbpd of their own oil to guarantee demand worldwide.
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I'm not entirely sure about this. The USA is gearing itself up to be an oil exporter in 20 years time or so. This will change things dramatically.
The Saudis will always have a lot of influence, as they essentially have control over price. Things could change with the USA though. Hopefully the USA gets into a position where they are no longer reliant on middle eastern oil but their economy doesn't become dependent on oil exports. USA energy independence could change the political landscape dramatically.
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