Karla Homolka is living in Canada again, Magnotta trial hears

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Not defending her, but I think it's safe to say that if she never met Bernardo, she probably would not have run into problems. I cannot see her being a danger to society.

Wow. What's really disconcerting is that you are serious.

[EldrickOnIce]

Homolka was never held fully accountable for the gravity of her crimes. The life sentence she deserves is the same one Bernardo is serving. The system let down the people it operates on behalf of.
If this is the life sentence she gets instead- living in constant, daily public harassment and or fear, I'm willing to settle for that.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This psycho took part in the drugging, rape, murder, dismemberment and disposal of her little sister. (Among other terrible acts)

I wouldn't want her anywhere near anybody I loved or cared about.

I don't remember the story on the sister this way, I thought it was a drug overdose or alcohol poisoning that killed her and I'm certain they didn't dismember her body?

A lot of years have passed but I remember thinking after she protected her psycho sex freak husband cover up the death of her own little sister that was the end of her, she now was in survival mode and afraid for her own life. I think in an interview later she stated what came later was so unspeakable it didn't seem real.

Only she knows the real story behind her roles but even after the plea bargain she did do a lot of time for manslaughter(maximum by law?) and did made sure her former husband likely never gets out.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Wow. What's really disconcerting is that you are serious.

I'm just being pragmatic about the situation. Ideally, she should have been given a life sentence for her role in the crimes. However, she was released 12 years ago, and has been a productive member of society. There is zero chance she get retried for her part in the Bernardo murders. It is what it is...

[driveway]

The woman has children who attend the school. I think it's entirely reasonable for the school to allow her to participate as a volunteer at school events if there is significant staff presence.

Whatever she did, her children have done nothing wrong at all, and they deserve exactly the same opportunities to have an education as every other kid in Canada, and they also deserve the opportunity to have their mother involved in their education.

If you feel the justice system failed, then the appropriate response is to petition the government to change the laws, vote for candidates who support changing the laws, or run for office yourself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by driveway

The woman has children who attend the school. I think it's entirely reasonable for the school to allow her to participate as a volunteer at school events if there is significant staff presence.

Whatever she did, her children have done nothing wrong at all, and they deserve exactly the same opportunities to have an education as every other kid in Canada, and they also deserve the opportunity to have their mother involved in their education.

If you feel the justice system failed, then the appropriate response is to petition the government to change the laws, vote for candidates who support changing the laws, or run for office yourself.

Really? I have to disagree with you. On the basis that their mother is a murderer.

Her right to participate in her children's education at their school should be revoked due to her past actions.

I dont see why she should have the same rights and opportunities as non-murderers.

And she can explain that to her kids.

"Sorry kids, mommy cant come to school today because she murdered a bunch of folks..."

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Locke

Really? I have to disagree with you. On the basis that their mother is a murderer.

Her right to participate in her children's education at their school should be revoked due to her past actions.

I dont see why she should have the same rights and opportunities as non-murderers.

And she can explain that to her kids.

"Sorry kids, mommy cant come to school today because she murdered a bunch of folks..."

There is - as I understand it - no legal way for this to happen. If you think it should be the case, then you should contact your MP to suggest it.

[Huntingwhale]

There are lots of children I feel bad for in this world. But honestly the children of Homolka have to be right up near the top.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when the kids are finally old enough to be sat down by both parents and told the entire story of what happened. Likely all of it will be blamed on Bernardo and how she was forced to do it and was manipulated by him. But they will undoubtedly Google the story themselves and realise she played a big part in murdering their aunt.

I genuinely do feel bad for them. They did nothing wrong other then be born to a parent who should have been locked up for life. Can only imagine the hard ship they will have to go through as they get older (if they aren't already).

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by driveway

The woman has children who attend the school. I think it's entirely reasonable for the school to allow her to participate as a volunteer at school events if there is significant staff presence.

Whatever she did, her children have done nothing wrong at all, and they deserve exactly the same opportunities to have an education as every other kid in Canada, and they also deserve the opportunity to have their mother involved in their education.

If you feel the justice system failed, then the appropriate response is to petition the government to change the laws, vote for candidates who support changing the laws, or run for office yourself.

I'm stunned that nobody has bought up her background check if they had actually done it.

I mean frankly if the school had done that and seen the two convictions for manslaughter of Mahaffy and French who were two minors. And then said "hmm we should totally google Karla". And then read the conclusions that she was a willing participant in her husbands crimes, and that she never ever showed remorse for her actions, there should be no way that she should be allowed anywhere near anyone elses children. Why, because she's a freaking predator who got off on her husband raping and killing young girls.

Sure she has a right to participate in her children's education. But other parents have a right to know that their young kids hall monitor for example is a sexual predator with two convictions under her belt, and maybe they have a right to say "Nyet".

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm stunned that nobody has bought up her background check if they had actually done it.

It seems like from the article everyone, including the school and principle, knows who she is.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Only in this country can something so stupid and preposterous be allowed to happen.

I have a daughter starting school this fall, and if I found out that Homolka was volunteering at that school w/o me and my wife being told I would be so furious that I would probably do something stupid.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm stunned that nobody has bought up her background check if they had actually done it.

Yeah, you need to pass a background check to volunteer at a school. If "raped and murdered two minors" doesn't disqualify a volunteer, I have to wonder what does.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Something tells me this will devolve into the Vince Li argument again.

WTF?

They aren't remotely the same. What type of non-sense parallel are you trying to draw?

Homolka was found to be criminally responsible for manslaughter after taking a plea deal. A deal that would never had happened if the tapes had been known about. She was a willing participant in multiple heinous crimes, and got off easy because the prosecutors didn't think that a woman was capable of being so evil pretty much.

Vince Li was never found criminally responsible because he went through a schizophrenic episode.

There's just nothing that's even remotely similar about the situations, what a stupid comparison you're trying to draw.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm stunned that nobody has bought up her background check if they had actually done it.

I mean frankly if the school had done that and seen the two convictions for manslaughter of Mahaffy and French who were two minors. And then said "hmm we should totally google Karla". And then read the conclusions that she was a willing participant in her husbands crimes, and that she never ever showed remorse for her actions, there should be no way that she should be allowed anywhere near anyone elses children. Why, because she's a freaking predator who got off on her husband raping and killing young girls.

Sure she has a right to participate in her children's education. But other parents have a right to know that their young kids hall monitor for example is a sexual predator with two convictions under her belt, and maybe they have a right to say "Nyet".

Don't you understand Captain. We need to be compassionate and allow people to re-integrate into society.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Burninator

It seems like from the article everyone, including the school and principle, knows who she is.

I have to go through police checks every year for coaching. I'm pretty sure that if I had any kind of violent conviction or sex crime conviction that the organization I'm with would probably say "Thanks but no thanks", and have me escorted to my car.

There's no way that KH should be allowed to volunteer or work with anyone else kids.

I do feel sorry for her kids, because I'm pretty sure that most parents would allow "play dates" or sleep overs to happen at the KH residence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Don't you understand Captain. We need to be compassionate and allow people to re-integrate into society.

Clearly I'm too old and set in my ways.

However my question to that school would be "Are you fracking nuts?"

I've softened on the whole criminal re-integration into society argument. Except in the case of violent criminals and sexual predators.

[metallicat]

Wonder what her own children are going to think as they get close to the age of the two girls she murdered.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I have to go through police checks every year for coaching. I'm pretty sure that if I had any kind of violent conviction or sex crime conviction that the organization I'm with would probably say "Thanks but no thanks", and have me escorted to my car.

There's no way that KH should be allowed to volunteer or work with anyone else kids.

“It is protocol for all of our schools across Canada, and most of the world, to do background checks, not only on teachers, but [also] volunteers as well as clergy. As I said, she is not a regular volunteer. Rarely would she have cause to go into the school, and when she is, she is never alone.”

So her not being a regular volunteer seems to be some sort sticking point (possible legal sticking point) to the school. Hard to understand their perspective on it to be honest. Schools don't want their kids to bring peanuts in their lunch but she allowed in the school at all?

I do feel sorry for her kids, because I'm pretty sure that most parents would allow "play dates" or sleep overs to happen at the KH residence.

I doubt it. I'm sure her and her children are pretty ostracized once people find out who she is. No doubt word travels fast as well. Not sure why you think everyone is clueless about her and her past.

[northcrunk]

I'm sorry to use the term but anyone who wants to take the soft approach and be understanding to Homolka is a ####. How the hell did she get into the school when a police background check is supposed to be done? This is on the school and the administration and I expect them to be accountable. If this was my daughters school I would be raising hell and pulling her out. Unacceptable to have a serial killer volunteering with children. The principle is a #### too.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by driveway

The woman has children who attend the school. I think it's entirely reasonable for the school to allow her to participate as a volunteer at school events if there is significant staff presence.

Whatever she did, her children have done nothing wrong at all, and they deserve exactly the same opportunities to have an education as every other kid in Canada, and they also deserve the opportunity to have their mother involved in their education.

If you feel the justice system failed, then the appropriate response is to petition the government to change the laws, vote for candidates who support changing the laws, or run for office yourself.

Maybe you need to freshen up a little about exactly what she did to her sister and other teenage girls. It's not about her kids and all as there's no indication they have been denied anything. This is about the other children and their parents in the school. As has been stated she never even tried reforming herself in prison and has never shown to be truly remorseful. I think the day she decided to have children she should have fully considered the implications of bringing them into the world knowing how it may be difficult for them but that's another argument entirely. Her volunteering in schools simply shouldn't happen in any capacity but at the end of the day it's at the discretion of the school and if that school is okay with it then I'm probably pulling my kids out of it if I'm a parent.